Merkel slammed for joy over bin Laden killing

zimmer · May 4, 2011

Merkel slammed for joy over bin Laden killing
Several German politicians on Wednesday criticized Chancellor Angela Merkel for expressing joy over the death of terrorist leader Osama bin Laden, saying it sent the wrong message.

Katrin Göring-Eckardt, Green party MP, Bundestag vice president and leading member of the Evangelical Church of Germany, told the Berliner Zeitung she was glad bin Laden was no longer leading a terrorist group. “But you can’t be happy about his death,” she said.

On Monday, Merkel told reporters that bin Laden’s death at the hands of US forces was “good news.”

“I’m glad that killing bin Laden was successful,” she said.

The criticism of Merkel's comments came not only from political opposition, but from her own party...

Siegfried Kauder, a member of Merkel’s conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU), slammed her remarks, calling them reminiscent of something a person would say in the “middle ages.”

Other politicians said they would have preferred to see bin Laden arrested.
Merkel slammed for joy over bin Laden killing - The Local

You see, this is why we should largely ignore the Europeans. The day after Osama was offed, this ball started to roll about the Euro airwaves, and this wasn't restricted to the Green Shirts, but the supposed "Conservatives" too.

Yes, Germany has a dastardly past to deal with, and they do still bear deep scars, but this is the similar to discovering Hitler was dead. Should there be no joy when that happened?

Too bad these people don't get it, and because they don't understand something as simple as this... deserve to have their advice on such matters (as Iraq) taken with not a grain of salt, but an entire box.

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Andalublue · May 4, 2011

zimmer said:
You see, this is why we should largely ignore the Europeans. The day after Osama was offed, this ball started to roll about the Euro airwaves, and this wasn't restricted to the Green Shirts, but the supposed "Conservatives" too.

Yes, Germany has a dastardly past to deal with, and they do still bear deep scars, but this is the similar to discovering Hitler was dead. Should there be no joy when that happened?

Too bad these people don't get it, and because they don't understand something as simple as this... deserve to have their advice on such matters (as Iraq) taken with not a grain of salt, but an entire box.

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It appears to be a reaction based on Christian values...

Some prominent Christians have accused her of rejoicing at the killing.

A Green Party member of parliament, Katrin Goering-Eckardt, said: "As a Christian, I can only say that there is no reason to celebrate when someone is killed intentionally."

A prominent member of Mrs Merkel's own party, the Christian Democrats, told Bavarian Radio that revenge was "medieval".

Siegfried Kauder, the chairman of parliament's legal affairs committee, also asked whether it was an "arbitrary killing" - which he said would be against human rights conventions.

The views were echoed by other Christians across the German political spectrum.

BBC Online

I might not agree with them but they are entitled to their opinion, not that it changes a bean.

apdst · May 4, 2011

Looks like Germany has it's fair share of dumbasses, too.

Aunt Spiker · May 4, 2011

zimmer said:
You see, this is why we should largely ignore the Europeans. The day after Osama was offed, this ball started to roll about the Euro airwaves, and this wasn't restricted to the Green Shirts, but the supposed "Conservatives" too.

Yes, Germany has a dastardly past to deal with, and they do still bear deep scars, but this is the similar to discovering Hitler was dead. Should there be no joy when that happened?

Too bad these people don't get it, and because they don't understand something as simple as this... deserve to have their advice on such matters (as Iraq) taken with not a grain of salt, but an entire box.

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I genuinely don't expect people form other countries to feel how we feel or understand how we feel.

I really don't.

I'm sure many do, though - which is awesome . . . but if they don't feel it or get it it's not going to bother me.

Ben K. · May 4, 2011

It's not exactly surprising or culturally exclusive to admonish celebrating a death, no matter who they are.

However, I say party on.

Aunt Spiker · May 4, 2011

Ben K. said:
It's not exactly surprising or culturally exclusive to admonish celebrating a death, no matter who they are.

However, I say party on.

Well supposedly we're the most violent loving country in the world - we're wretched people.

We rock it like that.

*Party on Wayne*

zimmer · May 4, 2011

Aunt Spiker said:
I genuinely don't expect people form other countries to feel how we feel or understand how we feel.

I really don't.

I'm sure many do, though - which is awesome . . . but if they don't feel it or get it it's not going to bother me.

If any country should understand the importance and cause for celebration of the death of one of the world's most vile of characters, Germany should be near if not at the top of the list.

What should be considered is their future advice/positioning when America makes decisions. They should largely be ignored, as they often do not have our interests at heart.

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Aunt Spiker · May 4, 2011

zimmer said:
If any country should understand the importance and cause for celebration of the most vile of characters, Germany should be near if not at the top of the list.

What should be considered is their future advice/positioning when America makes decisions. They should largely be ignored, as they often do not have our interests at heart.

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Oh no no.

they went on *such* a hardcore "peace love and life" kick post WWII there isn't a single bit of flex in that country - they're firm advocates against murder and all that jazz

Andalublue · May 4, 2011

Aunt Spiker said:
Oh no no.

they went on *such* a hardcore "peace love and life" kick post WWII there isn't a single bit of flex in that country - they're firm advocates against murder and all that jazz

And in my book, that's quite a good thing.

liblady · May 4, 2011

zimmer said:
You see, this is why we should largely ignore the Europeans. The day after Osama was offed, this ball started to roll about the Euro airwaves, and this wasn't restricted to the Green Shirts, but the supposed "Conservatives" too.

Yes, Germany has a dastardly past to deal with, and they do still bear deep scars, but this is the similar to discovering Hitler was dead. Should there be no joy when that happened?

Too bad these people don't get it, and because they don't understand something as simple as this... deserve to have their advice on such matters (as Iraq) taken with not a grain of salt, but an entire box.

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i actually think it's creepy to have "JOY" over anyone's death, but that's just me. justice was served, but i find no joy in death.

donsutherland1 · May 4, 2011

IMO, the Chancellor's reaction was reasonable, appropriate, and ethical. She well understands the damage Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda have inflicted on Western interests, including those of Germany, including the human toll. She well understands the continuing threat Al Qaeda posed to civilians, German and non-German alike. She well understands the significant shared interest of countries, including Germany, in depriving Al Qaeda of its iconic leader and commander in chief.

If anything, her sentiments represent the more ethical message. She expressed relief that an individual responsible for massive bloodshed, the dissemination of hate, and one who almost certainly continued to plot more attacks, has been neutralized. That he is no longer in a position to inflict harm is good news except by the most novel interpretations. In contrast, those who so eagerly criticize her don't even attempt to come to grips what a world in which Osama Bin Laden were free to continue to carry out his activities and ambitions would really be like.

Andalublue · May 4, 2011

donsutherland1 said:
IMO, the Chancellor's reaction was reasonable, appropriate, and ethical. She well understands the damage Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda have inflicted on Western interests, including those of Germany, including the human toll. She well understands the continuing threat Al Qaeda posed to civilians, German and non-German alike. She well understands the significant shared interest of countries, including Germany, in depriving Al Qaeda of its iconic leader and commander in chief.

If anything, her sentiments represent the more ethical message. She expressed relief that an individual responsible for massive bloodshed, the dissemination of hate, and one who almost certainly continued to plot more attacks, has been neutralized. That he is no longer in a position to inflict harm is good news except by the most novel interpretations. In contrast, those who so eagerly criticize her don't even attempt to come to grips what a world in which Osama Bin Laden were free to continue to carry out his activities and ambitions would really be like.

I think that the criticism came from a moral and, given German history, understandable position, even though I don't necessarily agree with it. I also understand Merkel's position. There's no right and wrong in this side-issue, just different reactions to extraordinary events.

tessaesque · May 4, 2011

How about "F*ck you, I'll feel how I want."

zimmer · May 4, 2011

Aunt Spiker said:
Oh no no.

they went on *such* a hardcore "peace love and life" kick post WWII there isn't a single bit of flex in that country - they're firm advocates against murder and all that jazz

Oh... I agree 100%. They've gone 180 degrees in the other direction. Where once they snuffed millions, they're now protecting bugs (no joke).

Just saw one of the Green Shirts, a certain Fr. Kunast spout the idiocy in the OP. (projectile vomit icon).

Andalublue said:
I think that the criticism came from a moral and, given German history, understandable position, even though I don't necessarily agree with it. I also understand Merkel's position. There's no right and wrong in this side-issue, just different reactions to extraordinary events.

Don't tell that to the those taking Merkel to task... they believe she is wrong.
She ain't... Stand tall Angie, stand tall.

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TheBook · May 4, 2011

zimmer said:
Don't tell that to the those taking Merkel to task... they believe she is wrong.
She ain't... Stand tall Angie, stand tall.

And you believe she is right. I tend to agree with Andal on this, I don't think either reaction is inappropriate or wrong. There's some reasonable moral questions about cheering on the death of another human being, but that doesn't mean that I didn't do it along with most everyone else.

Alfons · May 6, 2011

Andalublue said:
It appears to be a reaction based on Christian values...

I might not agree with them but they are entitled to their opinion, not that it changes a bean.

The views of so-called Green Party ( pro-Islamic and too politically correct ) and of some leftists by CDU are being not shared by other Politicians and German People. Moreover there are almost not true Christians in German Politic, only politically correct liberal Islam friends.

ZGM · May 10, 2011

Oooooooo, somebody accidentally exposed his ties to al-Qaeda. LOL

DiAnna · May 13, 2011

Aunt Spiker said:
Oh no no.

they went on *such* a hardcore "peace love and life" kick post WWII there isn't a single bit of flex in that country - they're firm advocates against murder and all that jazz

Unless it's happening in the Balkans.

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