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The 91-Year-Old Woman Selling $60 Suicide Kits

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The 91-Year-Old Woman Selling $60 Suicide Kits

The paramedics who showed up to Nick Klonoski’s house on Highland Drive four months ago discovered the 29-year-old’s lifeless body, covered up to the neck by a blanket. It was his brother Jake, detectives learned, who’d found Nick lying in his bed less than an hour beforehand, a clear plastic bag over his head, and a plastic tube running from the bag to an orange metal helium tank. Next to the tank was a white box, decorated with a butterfly, the box the plastic bag and tube had arrived in the mail in, with a book titled Final Exit inside.

“Is it the book and the kit?” asked the first police officers to arrive on the scene. The paramedics nodded knowingly. “Yep.”

These materials were assembled and sold to Klonoski last June for $60 by a company that calls itself the Gladd Group, which is not really a group at all. It’s a woman from the San Diego suburb of La Mesa, California, named Sharlotte Hydorn. She is 91 years old.
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This is immoral.
 
repeter said:
This is immoral.
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He wanted to die. She provided a quick, painless, and reliable method for him to do so.

If there is anything that a person shouldn't need to ask permission for, it's dying.
 
Morality tends to be situational.....
I hope to have the means and the strength to take my own life should my situation get that bad....
 
His decision was not congruent with absolute logic. :|
 
Viktyr Korimir said:
He wanted to die. She provided a quick, painless, and reliable method for him to do so.

If there is anything that a person shouldn't need to ask permission for, it's dying.
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If he was in a situation where there was no one who loved him, and was trying to help him, there was no point to his life, and he was continually depressed for an extended amount of time, maybe I could understand suicide. But as the situation stands, these were not all true, and if he sought help, he could still be alive.
 
repeter said:
If he was in a situation where there was no one who loved him, and was trying to help him, there was no point to his life, and he was continually depressed for an extended amount of time, maybe I could understand suicide. But as the situation stands, these were not all true, and if he sought help, he could still be alive.
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I had a neighbor whose pain was so bad that we could hear him screaming. If he had been able to access his pain meds, he might have taken them all at once. That kind of pain tends to override "moral" thinking.
 
repeter said:
But as the situation stands, these were not all true, and if he sought help, he could still be alive.
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Yes. Still alive, and still in the same pain that drove him to suicide. Life's not all it's cracked up to be.
 
The Giant Noodle said:
By the way Im joking. And this whole kit thing..... what if someone is horribly depressed in a moment in their lives and they are NOT terminally ill or in physical pain??? :(
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then they order the kit, it takes a day or 2 to arrive, that person has time to reconsider....
If they do the deed prematurely, the deed is done, no going back, but it is their choice.
We are a free people, right? except for buying 100w indandescent light bulbs (sarcasm).
 
well the 100w incandescents affect us all.... suicide....

just the family.
 
UtahBill said:
I had a neighbor whose pain was so bad that we could hear him screaming. If he had been able to access his pain meds, he might have taken them all at once. That kind of pain tends to override "moral" thinking.
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A strange thread to give a "like", but what you state is true and goes unnoticed by many. I feel for people that live in constant harrowing pain, and feel for them more if they can't get the meds to alleviate it. Must be pure hell.

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The Giant Noodle said:
By the way Im joking. And this whole kit thing..... what if someone is horribly depressed in a moment in their lives and they are NOT terminally ill or in physical pain??? :(
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You say that like emotional pain somehow isn't as legitimate as physical pain.
 
The Giant Noodle said:
By the way Im joking. And this whole kit thing..... what if someone is horribly depressed in a moment in their lives and they are NOT terminally ill or in physical pain??? :(
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If someone is determined to take their life, they will take their life. I don't personally agree with it, but I doubt that without this "suicide kit", the guy would not have committed suicide. He most likely would have just found a different way to do it. Possibly a much worse way to do the deed.
 
No controlled substances (not that that would change my opinion), no hazardous materials, no violence, no danger to anybody who isn't using the kit to end their own life.

I don't see a thing wrong with it.
 
Viktyr Korimir said:
You say that like emotional pain somehow isn't as legitimate as physical pain.
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Emotional pain tends to be more transient than physical pain, particularly of the kind associated with a terminal illness. Someone who has mental problems should seek help, not end their life based on their emotional state at one snapshot in their life. I had severe depression when I was 18-19 years old, but it's hard for me to envision how I would be better off if I had ended my life instead of overcoming it.

The woman who sold him this kit should be prosecuted.
 
She sold him a plastic tube, a plastic bag, and a book. Hardly illegal.
 
I believe emotional pain can be far greater than physical pain. I find it highly distasteful for people to bash suicidal individuals or to speak ill of those who have taken their lives. I believe that suicide is an unfortunate and horrible decision, but people don't chose to make that decision because they aren't in excruciating emotional or physical pain.

What this woman did was wrong, but not illegal.
 
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