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    Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    CARPE DIEM: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Are Almost 7 Times ExxonMobil's Profit: 42 cents vs. 7 cents for QI

    Pretty short and sweet blogged article, but did anyone else find this surprising?
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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    CARPE DIEM: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Are Almost 7 Times ExxonMobil's Profit: 42 cents vs. 7 cents for QI

    Pretty short and sweet blogged article, but did anyone else find this surprising?
    No, as a matter of fact, gas taxes don't completely pay for the construction and maintenance of roads.

    "… no road pays for itself in gas taxes and fees. For example, in Houston, the 15 miles of SH 99 from I-10 to US 290 will cost $1 billion to build and maintain over its lifetime, while only generating $162 million in gas taxes. That gives a tax gap ratio of .16, which means that the real gas tax rate people would need to pay on this segment of road to completely pay for it would be $2.22 per gallon. This is just one example, but there is not one road in Texas that pays for itself based on the tax system of today. Some roads pay for about half their true cost, but most roads we have analyzed pay for considerably less. To conclude, in the SH 99 example, since the traffic volume for that road doesn't generate enough fuel tax revenue to pay for it, revenues from other parts of the state must be used to build and maintain this corridor segment. The same is true across the state, meaning that, as revealed by the tax gap analysis, overall revenues are not sufficient to meet the state’s transportation needs."
    Worldchanging: Bright Green: Do Gas Taxes Cover the Costs of Roads?

    What is your proposal to generate the needed revenue if not gas taxes, toll roads?
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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No, as a matter of fact, gas taxes don't completely pay for the construction and maintenance of roads.

    "… no road pays for itself in gas taxes and fees. For example, in Houston, the 15 miles of SH 99 from I-10 to US 290 will cost $1 billion to build and maintain over its lifetime, while only generating $162 million in gas taxes. That gives a tax gap ratio of .16, which means that the real gas tax rate people would need to pay on this segment of road to completely pay for it would be $2.22 per gallon. This is just one example, but there is not one road in Texas that pays for itself based on the tax system of today. Some roads pay for about half their true cost, but most roads we have analyzed pay for considerably less. To conclude, in the SH 99 example, since the traffic volume for that road doesn't generate enough fuel tax revenue to pay for it, revenues from other parts of the state must be used to build and maintain this corridor segment. The same is true across the state, meaning that, as revealed by the tax gap analysis, overall revenues are not sufficient to meet the state’s transportation needs."
    Worldchanging: Bright Green: Do Gas Taxes Cover the Costs of Roads?

    What is your proposal to generate the needed revenue if not gas taxes, toll roads?
    I was not aware that taxes on gasoline served merely as a road construction fund. However, it makes since that our administration wants higher gas prices (along side from green energy....yank) ...so that they can simply cycle that money to a public union building roads, who in turn would turn around and give it straight back to the government officials....thought outload

    Anyway, it seems you think they're to low, what do propose then? Raise gas prices, and/or taxes?
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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    I was not aware that taxes on gasoline served merely as a road construction fund.
    Now you know!


    However, it makes since that our administration wants higher gas prices (along side from green energy....yank) ...so that they can simply cycle that money to a public union building roads, who in turn would turn around and give it straight back to the government officials....thought outload
    Please translate the above quote into complete english sentences and I will try to respond.

    Anyway, it seems you think they're to low, what do propose then? Raise gas prices, and/or taxes?
    The author of the article states they are too low. It is up to each state to decide how they make up the extra taxes needed beyond the gas tax to pay for the construction and maintenance of their roads. Gax taxes and toll roads seem the most direct way to pay for roads to me. And, I think we should move more of our freight by rail as it is more cost efficient, and trucks do most of the damage to roads that require expensive repair.

    What tax method do you think the states should use to make up what they need for roads?

    I just found this further info that may help in our discussion:

    "To have a meaningful national debate over transportation policy – particularly at a time of tight public budgets – it is important to get past the myths and address the real, difficult choices America must make for the 21st century. Toward that end, this report shows:

    · Gasoline taxes aren’t “user fees” in any meaningful sense of the term – The amount of money a particular driver pays in gasoline taxes bears little relationship to his or her use of roads funded by gas taxes.

    · State gas taxes are often not “extra” fees – Most states exempt gasoline from the state sales tax, diverting much of the money that would have gone into a state’s general fund to roads.

    · Federal gas taxes have typically not been devoted exclusively to highways – Since its 1934 inception, Congress only temporarily dedicated gas tax revenues fully to highways during the brief 17-year period beginning in 1956. This was at the start of construction for the Interstate highway network, a project completed in the 1990s.

    · Highways don’t pay for themselves -- Since 1947, the amount of money spent on highways, roads and streets has exceeded the amount raised through gasoline taxes and other so-called “user fees” by $600 billion (2005 dollars), representing a massive transfer of general government funds to highways.

    · Highways “pay for themselves” less today than ever. Currently, highway “user fees” pay only about half the cost of building and maintaining the nation’s network of highways, roads and streets.

    · These figures fail to include the many costs imposed by highway construction on non-users of the system, including damage to the environment and public health and encouragement of sprawling forms of development that impose major costs on the environment and government finances."
    Do Roads Pay For Themselves? Setting the Record Straight on Transportation Funding - U.S. PIRG
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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    CARPE DIEM: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Are Almost 7 Times ExxonMobil's Profit: 42 cents vs. 7 cents for QI

    Pretty short and sweet blogged article, but did anyone else find this surprising?
    Shush! Don't tell Obama he'll want to tax the Government tax, he's such a dumb-ass.

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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Shush! Don't tell Obama he'll want to tax the Government tax, he's such a dumb-ass.
    I don't know about you but my taxes went down under this administration.
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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I don't know about you but my taxes went down under this administration.
    The only way your taxes went down under this administration, is if you lost your job.

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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The only way your taxes went down under this administration, is if you lost your job.

    The stimulus was the biggest middle-class tax cut in history


    ""the major tax cuts enacted in the 2009 economic stimulus bill actually reduced federal income taxes for tax year 2009 for 98 percent of all working families and individuals." In terms of the number of Americans who benefited, the stimulus bill was the biggest tax cut in history."
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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    My income went down, way down, and my income taxes went down. Most other taxes went up and we have our lovely new taxes.

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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post

    The stimulus was the biggest middle-class tax cut in history


    ""the major tax cuts enacted in the 2009 economic stimulus bill actually reduced federal income taxes for tax year 2009 for 98 percent of all working families and individuals." In terms of the number of Americans who benefited, the stimulus bill was the biggest tax cut in history."
    You lefties with your "in history" bull****. Everything you do is the biggest in history. You people really think you're all that, when you're really the worse things in this country. I also wish you'd stop trying to pose as an Independent, be truthful to us and yourself.
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