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Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

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As a result, the United States is the only industrialized nation not aggressively exploiting it's own natural resources.

still stuck on oil? what else would you exploit?


Hello? You're advocating stealing tax money from people to finance your pet programs. As such, it's none o your business, but your proposals are the Mayor's business since the Mayor pays taxes.
never said that, ad hominy grits, anyone?

Yes, when enough silly people swallow the no-such-thing-as-a-free-market-kool-aid, national freedom dies.
the reason the Kool-Aid is often called purple is because red and blue make purple. Some people dring the red, some the blue, libertarians drink from both.
Oh, yes, please explain your views of the natural limits of individual freedom as a "moderte", ie a socialist-lite, to a real libertarian.
I am sure you can define free market to your satisfaction, but like communism, it doesn't exist as originally defined, and never will.
Libertarians are often those who take extreme views without limiting themselves to the extreme views of the far left or the far right.
What is a REAL libertarian? I have seen many arguments as to what makes up a real conservative, with no consensus, of course. What makes you any more real than the next libertarian? Especially since libertarians rarely get elected....:2razz:
 
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Earthquakes are fun, and happen certainly less than the every year you're guaranteed to have summer and winter.



Nope. The Mayor like neighbors. Especially when they're 18 and stacked.



First you say it doesn't need to be subsidized, then you point out a negative subsidy. It's fairly obvious from what the Mayor posts that his argument with lunatic left wing ideas is thatthey inevitably involved taking money from someone else by the government. Are you reading somehow that the Mayor opposes green technology that's paid for in full by private parties?

You're very imaginative.



You're not in the furniture moving business and you're still trying to make fiction of what's posted for your edification.



Again, a pointless ad hominem attack.



No, just ennui with people who can't or won't understand the metaphors and tired cliches they employ instead of making the effort to post crisp fresh prose.

Also, the "ran" you're referring to is the refusal by a succession of US presidents and Congresses to get off their dead asses and stop opposing domestic energy development. As a result, the United States is the only industrialized nation not aggressively exploiting it's own natural resources.



The inflation tube for the auto-pilot is located below it's belt...



Nope, the Mayor is an anonymous compilation of ideas and insults are not something given, but something taken. Pointing out the attempts at others to insult is not the same as accepting insult.



Hello? You're advocating stealing tax money from people to finance your pet programs. As such, it's none o your business, but your proposals are the Mayor's business since the Mayor pays taxes.



In case you missed the memo, the two are inextricably linked.



Noted that you consider the defense of freedom to be a "misdeed".



Nonsense.



Yes, when enough silly people swallow the no-such-thing-as-a-free-market-kool-aid, national freedom dies.



Oh, yes, please explain your views of the natural limits of individual freedom as a "moderte", ie a socialist-lite, to a real libertarian.

..."an anonymous compilation of ideas", huh?

So an artificial construct, possibly a team?

But a fraud, not an actual person, hence the use of the third person?

Pretty much what I surmised.

Thanks for the confirmation.:2wave:
 
We are importing natural gas now too for the first time.

Not true. We've always, at least since the early 1970s, imported a small percentage of our natural gas. We import a tiny percentage even though we are the world's leading producer of natural gas. Our production has even risen over the past five years.

Actually, the U.S. proven oil and gas reserves have increased significantly in recent years.
 
Not true. We've always, at least since the early 1970s, imported a small percentage of our natural gas. We import a tiny percentage even though we are the world's leading producer of natural gas. Our production has even risen over the past five years.

Actually, the U.S. proven oil and gas reserves have increased significantly in recent years.

US natural gas reserves (recoverable) has increased dramatically in the last 5 years. Mostly from the North east area of the US (Penn, NY etc). Production from that area has driven down natural gas prices on the north american market heavily
 
US natural gas reserves (recoverable) has increased dramatically in the last 5 years. Mostly from the North east area of the US (Penn, NY etc). Production from that area has driven down natural gas prices on the north american market heavily
They used to just burn a lot of it off, due to not having a way to transport it.
 
They used to just burn a lot of it off, due to not having a way to transport it.

It is also due to the recent development of hydrofracking and horizontal drilling allowing for increased production from singular wells. Making the process profitiable ( at least normally). Alberta used to burn it off as well but stopped most of it over the last 30 years.
 
Not true. We've always, at least since the early 1970s, imported a small percentage of our natural gas. We import a tiny percentage even though we are the world's leading producer of natural gas. Our production has even risen over the past five years.

Actually, the U.S. proven oil and gas reserves have increased significantly in recent years.

STRATEGIC ENERGY POLICY CHALLENGES FOR THE 21ST CENTURY

REPORT OF AN INDEPENDENT TASK FORCE

COSPONSORED BY THE

JAMES A. BAKER III INSTITUTE FOR PUBLIC POLICY OF RICE UNIVERSITY AND THE
COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS

"That Americans face long-term energy delivery challenges and volatile energy prices is the failure of both Democrats and Republicans to fashion a workable energy policy. Energy policy was allowed to drift by both political parties despite its centrality to America’s domestic economy and to our nation’s security.

It was permitted to drift despite the fact that virtually every American recession since the late 1940s has been preceded by spikes in oil prices. The American people need to know about this situation and be told as well that there are no easy or quick solutions to today’s energy problems."

"Strong economic growths across the globe and new global demands for more energy have meant the end of sustained surplus capacity in hydrocarbon fuels and the beginning of capacity limitations. In fact, the world is currently precariously close to utilizing all of its available oil-production capacity, raising the chances of an oil-supply crisis with more substantial consequences then seen in three decades."


"Natural gas is available to heat homes and run power plants in some parts of the United States only because prices soared over the winter to many times previous historic peaks. Gas markets dealt successfully with a supply shortage, but only at the cost of driving a few lower priority industrial users to close plants and lay off workers, and many to desert gas for fuels that were more polluting. If economic growth continues, price spikes and supply shortages could become widespread recurring events challenging expectations of free energy and making the United States appear more similar to a poor developing country."


"As it is, national solutions alone cannot work. Politicians still speak of U.S. energy independence, while the United States is importing more than half of its oil supplies and may soon for the first time become reliant on sources outside North America for substantial amounts of natural gas."



U.S. Forecasts 42% Jump in LNG Imports in 2010, Says Supply May Go Higher



U.S. LNG import wave might not break this year
 
=Mayor Snorkum;1059461320]still stuck on oil? what else would you exploit?

Well, oil is certainly the most important for now. Only a fool would think it shouldn't be tapped, and tapped ASAP.

There's this stuff, Rare Earths.

There's this stuff, it's called "steel", that the nation must produce cheaper. That will be done when important steel producing states become right-to-work states.

That's another resource that must be nutured and expanded. Human freedom and the creativity unfettered freedom brings should not be subject to punitive taxation. There's a reason businesses are fleeing the United States, and it's not because the unions are too weak and business taxes are too low and the businesses aren't regulated enough.

never said that,

You're advocating bigger government. You think bureaucrats work for free?

I am sure you can define free market to your satisfaction, but like communism, it doesn't exist as originally defined, and never will.

Yes, your fantasy world is interesting, but your pretend ignorance is boring.

Sadly, it's clearly an act.

Libertarians are often those who take extreme views without limiting themselves to the extreme views of the far left or the far right.

LIbertarians are those who think about issues using their brains, not their glands. Glands aren't especially useful for thinking.

Libertarians are also those people who refuse to consider other people as resources to be consumed to satisfy some perverted notion of utility.

What is a REAL libertarian?

Libertarians who aren't fake libertarians.

It's not hard to recognize that since people are not property, people don't have any authority to interfere with anyone's chosen life path that doesn't harmfully intersect that of others. That means, to wit, since it ain't your property, you don't get a vote on how it's used or consumed. It also means that since it's not your life, you don't get to dictate who that person lives it. Finally, it means, you're not allowed to harm othes, nor can you harm their property or impede their own freedoms if they're not infringing on you.

You want an energy efficient property? Well, give the guy two cheers and hurrah! Don't run around expecting a halo or permission to order others to be just like you if they don't want to.

Welcome to real libertarianism.

I have seen many arguments as to what makes up a real conservative, with no consensus, of course. What makes you any more real than the next libertarian?

There is no "next" libertarian. People who seek to wrongly impose controls on people for selfish reasons or altruistic reasons aren't libertarians, they're something else.

The only acceptable controls are those prohibitions that prevent people from causing deliberate harm to others, from harming or stealing their property, or from engaging in fraud or other acts of deceit that separate people from their property or their lives.

Especially since libertarians rarely get elected....:2razz:

Yeah, that must be relevant to someone. Not the Mayor, since kissing butt and selling out isn't in the Mayor's character profile.
 
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Libertarians are also those people who refuse to consider other people as resources to be consumed to satisfy some perverted notion of utility.

You mean like the Iraqi people? That is one of the Libertarian ideals that I admire, not going to war against a country that hasn't attacked us, and cutting our defense budget back to defense only levels.

Of course with you being a Libertarian, I'm sure you agree. :sun
 
You mean like the Iraqi people? That is one of the Libertarian ideals that I admire, not going to war against a country that hasn't attacked us, and cutting our defense budget back to defense only levels.

Of course with you being a Libertarian, I'm sure you agree. :sun

Yes, certainly the Mayor opposed the invasion of Iraq.

He also opposes the operations in Libya.

The nation cannot cut the defense budget back to defense-readiness levels until it's withdrawn to a posture of defense readiness.

That popped your inflated ribbed red condom, didn't it?
 
Yes, certainly the Mayor opposed the invasion of Iraq.

He also opposes the operations in Libya.

The nation cannot cut the defense budget back to defense-readiness levels until it's withdrawn to a posture of defense readiness.

That popped your inflated ribbed red condom, didn't it?

None of the unsubstantiated opinion that oozes out of the Land of Snorkum surprises me at this point! :sun
 
None of the unsubstantiated opinion that oozes out of the Land of Snorkum surprises me at this point! :sun

Are you admitting to believing that the US can reduce the defense budget to defense-readiness levels while the nation has troops in three battlefields?
 
Are you admitting to believing that the US can reduce the defense budget to defense-readiness levels while the nation has troops in three battlefields?

I agree that we should end both American led wars immediately, but that does not prevent us from closing other unnecessary bases around the world at the same time. Its too bad we didn't have a choice in the last election for a credible candidate that would have done that.
 
I agree that we should end both American led wars immediately,

So you're refusing to acknowledge that the US is fighting three wars right now. And if the United States isn't leading the war, the United States shouldn't be in the war.

but that does not prevent us from closing other unnecessary bases around the world at the same time.

Yeah, we have thousands of empty bases scattered around the globe. We should certainly close the Bitburg base becuase those people should be punished for not allowing Candidate Obama to use wounded US soldiers as political stage props.

Its too bad we didn't have a choice in the last election for a credible candidate that would have done that.

You mean, it's too bad the Americans didn't have a choice. You've made it perfectly plain that you read for the (D)unce switch every time.
 
So you're refusing to acknowledge that the US is fighting three wars right now. And if the United States isn't leading the war, the United States shouldn't be in the war.

Libya was a NATO action we joined.



Yeah, we have thousands of empty bases scattered around the globe. We should certainly close the Bitburg base becuase those people should be punished for not allowing Candidate Obama to use wounded US soldiers as political stage props.

We have lots of bases empty and not that should be closed.



You mean, it's too bad the Americans didn't have a choice. You've made it perfectly plain that you read for the (D)unce switch every time.

They had the same choice we always have, the lesser of the evils. It is that way in all place except the utopia of the Land of Snorkum. :sun
 
Libya was a NATO action we joined.

Try reading what was posted. If the US isn't the leader, the US shouldn't be in the game. Also, without the US, it's not a real NATO action, it's an improper expropriation of assets.

Regardless, there was never any US interests being served by interfering in that civil war. Unless you're happy that the United States is now fighting on the side of al qeada even as the United States was shooting al qeada's head in the head, perhaps, even, while he was in the head?

We have lots of bases empty and not that should be closed.

Yeah, work on your grammar a little. The Mayor has no objections to closing unneeded assets if the defense needs projected over a reasonable period of time shows no expected use for the asset, or if refubishment of the asset exceeds it's expected utility.

They had the same choice we always have, the lesser of the evils. It is that way in all place except the utopia of the Land of Snorkum. :sun

So they picked Morgoth instead?
 
My last 3 years in the Navy, early 74 to mid 77, was spent working in a poorly ventilated building, with a lot of smokers. After work, I would take my outer clothing off in the garage, and head for the shower. I had strep throat several times a year for those 3 years.
My exit physical chest xray showed the results in my lungs, the doctor told me to quit smoking.... When I told him I don't smoke, he asked me how long ago I quit. Told him I never started, then explained the second hand smoke situation.
Thank you, smokers, for being selfish and ignorant....

Go tell the gov to improve ventilation of their buildings. :D
 
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Got links to prove any of this?
Rising prices of energy hasn't made very many of us drive less, cool/heat our homes any less.
Energy prices for businesses are passed on to the consumer.

I think you are inventing things....

Energy prices are caused by...

I will help you, not a lack of oil in the ground.
 
REPORT OF AN INDEPENDENT TASK FORCE

COSPONSORED BY THE

JAMES A. BAKER III INSTITUTE FOR PUBLIC POLICY OF RICE UNIVERSITY AND THE
COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS

"That Americans face long-term energy delivery challenges and volatile energy prices is the failure of both Democrats and Republicans to fashion a workable energy policy. Energy policy was allowed to drift by both political parties despite its centrality to America’s domestic economy and to our nation’s security.

It was permitted to drift despite the fact that virtually every American recession since the late 1940s has been preceded by spikes in oil prices. The American people need to know about this situation and be told as well that there are no easy or quick solutions to today’s energy problems."

"Strong economic growths across the globe and new global demands for more energy have meant the end of sustained surplus capacity in hydrocarbon fuels and the beginning of capacity limitations. In fact, the world is currently precariously close to utilizing all of its available oil-production capacity, raising the chances of an oil-supply crisis with more substantial consequences then seen in three decades."


"Natural gas is available to heat homes and run power plants in some parts of the United States only because prices soared over the winter to many times previous historic peaks. Gas markets dealt successfully with a supply shortage, but only at the cost of driving a few lower priority industrial users to close plants and lay off workers, and many to desert gas for fuels that were more polluting. If economic growth continues, price spikes and supply shortages could become widespread recurring events challenging expectations of free energy and making the United States appear more similar to a poor developing country."


"As it is, national solutions alone cannot work. Politicians still speak of U.S. energy independence, while the United States is importing more than half of its oil supplies and may soon for the first time become reliant on sources outside North America for substantial amounts of natural gas."



U.S. Forecasts 42% Jump in LNG Imports in 2010, Says Supply May Go Higher



U.S. LNG import wave might not break this year

When you come up with something official that actually disputes my claim, feel free to post it. Out of date "position papers" don't cut it.
 
So you're refusing to acknowledge that the US is fighting three wars right now. And if the United States isn't leading the war, the United States shouldn't be in the war.

Of course he is. Like a good little Dem, wars started by Dem presidents are just fine and dandy. I'm sure he was happy that Clinton took us into Bosnia, just as he's happy Obama put us into a third war in Libya.

He's just doing as he's told.
 
Go tell the gov to improve ventilation of their buildings. :D

or tell the smokers to go outside, which eventually happened, MANY years later...
smokers use the word inhale, I say they suck...
 
When you come up with something official that actually disputes my claim, feel free to post it. Out of date "position papers" don't cut it.

More than sufficient to debunk your unsubstantiated claim. :sun
 
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