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That was in reference to public sector jobs.
And they're still just as unemployed. Do you think Boehner/Conservatives will exclude unemployed public sector employees from the unemployment numbers when they're trying to skewer the Democrats?

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Public workers out number the private sector workers now.
You might want to check out that statement again (or for the first time, which ever is applicable).
 
We are the only society on the planet that wastes? I'm sure you jest.

I said "most wastful", which you somehow translated in your head to the only society on the planet that wastes. :sun
 
Picture this, Logan, Utah and the communities around it...

I read this and asked, "How did he know my name?!?" Then I looked at Utah and saw you were refering to a town. ROFL

Forcing it too early? Green is too green, not ripe yet?:shock:
Only a small part of green technology is new....most of it is very mature. We already know how to increase efficiencies in our buildings, but only a few builders/contractors are doing it. Every new building should have to meet energy use standards as listed in Architecture 2030. No new home should be built without an energy review where a TRAINED building codes officer sits down with the buyer and explains how a few changes can make a big difference in energy bills.

I'm not talking about the age of the tech per se' but more the cost. Solar is still very expensive for the average homeowner or small business (which would include most home builders) as are many other technologies. Many still do not bring us an equal or better return on the energy/dollar ratio. Yes the more they are implimented the cheaper the tech gets and the more research goes into it to make it better. Why would you want to force a home to have certain standards if it would raise the price out of the reach of the average worker? Unless we want to go through the whole lending to people who can't afford the payments thing again that helped put us in this recession.
 
I read this and asked, "How did he know my name?!?" Then I looked at Utah and saw you were refering to a town. ROFL



I'm not talking about the age of the tech per se' but more the cost. Solar is still very expensive for the average homeowner or small business (which would include most home builders) as are many other technologies. Many still do not bring us an equal or better return on the energy/dollar ratio. Yes the more they are implimented the cheaper the tech gets and the more research goes into it to make it better. Why would you want to force a home to have certain standards if it would raise the price out of the reach of the average worker? Unless we want to go through the whole lending to people who can't afford the payments thing again that helped put us in this recession.

Well, Logan, I have SPIES EVERYWHERE !!!!
You are thinking of active solar systems, which I dismissed in the 70's. Too much equipment and too much money.
Look up Edward Mazria's book on Passive Solar Design; there are others, but none as informative as his. He has a regular version, and an Engineers version, but they are about the same.
Passive building techniques can save a bundle on heating costs...and are cheap if done as the house is being built.
Also look up Architecture 2030, also involving Edward Mazria. His plan is to require all new buildings to meet new energy efficiency codes so that they need less power. If we get serious about making buildings more efficient, we can get by with fewer new power plants....
Think about how far along we would be if we did for buildings what we have already done for cars, starting in the early 70's....
 
House GOP votes unanimously to protect big oil subsidies


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wasn't someone saying that it is liberals who hate the poor?

You are correct sir. And they will completely ignore the posted facts or try to spin it in their favor with unsubstantiated opinion. Watch and see! :sun
 
Well, Logan, I have SPIES EVERYWHERE !!!!
You are thinking of active solar systems, which I dismissed in the 70's. Too much equipment and too much money.
Look up Edward Mazria's book on Passive Solar Design; there are others, but none as informative as his. He has a regular version, and an Engineers version, but they are about the same.
Passive building techniques can save a bundle on heating costs...and are cheap if done as the house is being built.
Also look up Architecture 2030, also involving Edward Mazria. His plan is to require all new buildings to meet new energy efficiency codes so that they need less power. If we get serious about making buildings more efficient, we can get by with fewer new power plants....
Think about how far along we would be if we did for buildings what we have already done for cars, starting in the early 70's....

Passive solar, for heating/cooling, is amazingly effective.

Lived in the desert for a while, where you learn a lot of this stuff.

Deciduous trees on the sun side shade during the summer, allow sunlight to hit the house in the winter.

Swamp coolers require one to learn how air moves through ones house.

I've amazed several people with what look like irrelevant solutions that yield powerful results.

I think the organized resistance to these approaches is simply that it makes one less dependant on energy from traditional monolithic sources.

I know several people who are off-grid or working towards it, and they really do look at the world differently.

They ALL enjoy a sort of liberty few of us are even aware we don't share.:2wave:
 
Passive solar, for heating/cooling, is amazingly effective.

Lived in the desert for a while, where you learn a lot of this stuff.

Deciduous trees on the sun side shade during the summer, allow sunlight to hit the house in the winter.

Swamp coolers require one to learn how air moves through ones house.

I've amazed several people with what look like irrelevant solutions that yield powerful results.

I think the organized resistance to these approaches is simply that it makes one less dependant on energy from traditional monolithic sources.

I know several people who are off-grid or working towards it, and they really do look at the world differently.

They ALL enjoy a sort of liberty few of us are even aware we don't share.:2wave:

Something even the "pros" don't even think of, concerning evap coolers....
Mine was on the roof, next to the AC, installed to use the AC ducting for supply, then there were upducts in every room of the house that let the air escape into the attic. I got tired of installing/removing foam blocks for winter time, and just sealed them off.
I knocked a hole in the wall between kitchen and garage, installed a duct return/filter holder in the hole, forget the size, but it was big enough. Now all the evap cooled air coming in via AC ducting exited the rooms under the doors, flowed down the hall to the kitchen, then into the garage. From there the air went into the attic thru a 16" ceiling mounted fan that was on its own attic mounted thermostat. That fan only ran under power during the humid months, when we had to run the AC. I put that in because the attic vent fan mounted inside the attic, thru the roof, kept burning out. Better to push cooler air into the attic than to pull really hot air out of it.
Winter time, I put a large chunk of foam rubber in the filter return between kitchen and garage.
It worked really well, then the evap cooler failed from old age, so we put in a new one that was overkill in size. It could make the house really cold.
Not done yet, the installer for the new evap ran the water overflow/bleed line to a bathroom vent, but I moved it to run into a barrel with a self siphoning drain that kept 2 citrus trees well watered....
All that water and some dried chicken poop from the local egg farm, and we had more oranges and grapefruit than we knew what to do with.
 
Something even the "pros" don't even think of, concerning evap coolers....
Mine was on the roof, next to the AC, installed to use the AC ducting for supply, then there were upducts in every room of the house that let the air escape into the attic. I got tired of installing/removing foam blocks for winter time, and just sealed them off.
I knocked a hole in the wall between kitchen and garage, installed a duct return/filter holder in the hole, forget the size, but it was big enough. Now all the evap cooled air coming in via AC ducting exited the rooms under the doors, flowed down the hall to the kitchen, then into the garage. From there the air went into the attic thru a 16" ceiling mounted fan that was on its own attic mounted thermostat. That fan only ran under power during the humid months, when we had to run the AC. I put that in because the attic vent fan mounted inside the attic, thru the roof, kept burning out. Better to push cooler air into the attic than to pull really hot air out of it.
Winter time, I put a large chunk of foam rubber in the filter return between kitchen and garage.
It worked really well, then the evap cooler failed from old age, so we put in a new one that was overkill in size. It could make the house really cold.
Not done yet, the installer for the new evap ran the water overflow/bleed line to a bathroom vent, but I moved it to run into a barrel with a self siphoning drain that kept 2 citrus trees well watered....
All that water and some dried chicken poop from the local egg farm, and we had more oranges and grapefruit than we knew what to do with.

Nice! Ive been talking with my contractor buddy about starting a sideline for his remodeling company modifying existing central heating systems to whole house exhaust setups.

Neither of us know enough so we're meeting with an HVAC expert.

Seems like it should be relatively easy. Just a matter of ducting/filters.

Smart House tech has a lot of HVAC components. Many wireless. Makes it all a lot easier. More customer friendly.

Someday I'm gonna have a house I can talk to.:2wave:
 
Nice! Ive been talking with my contractor buddy about starting a sideline for his remodeling company modifying existing central heating systems to whole house exhaust setups.

Neither of us know enough so we're meeting with an HVAC expert.

Seems like it should be relatively easy. Just a matter of ducting/filters.

Smart House tech has a lot of HVAC components. Many wireless. Makes it all a lot easier. More customer friendly.

Someday I'm gonna have a house I can talk to.:2wave:

Talk to? I have a friend, in his 70's, bought a high tech house....he can't operate it.
Keep it simple for the old folks.....

As for "experts", I asked one question of several HVAC business owners before I got the answer, trust me, most of them are NOT experts....
The question was, why aren't earth coupled heat pumps used in AZ, or Utah, or NV, or NM?
Care to guess?
 
Talk to? I have a friend, in his 70's, bought a high tech house....he can't operate it.
Keep it simple for the old folks.....

As for "experts", I asked one question of several HVAC business owners before I got the answer, trust me, most of them are NOT experts....
The question was, why aren't earth coupled heat pumps used in AZ, or Utah, or NV, or NM?
Care to guess?

Regulations? Or something to do with a lack of humidity or other atmospheric limitation in that area? Not that familiar with heat pumps beyond basic concept.

On that constant temp. below ground thing, my favorite is the minaret system in the middle east.

A long tube is buried an appropriate distance underground, with one end somewhere shady.

Then this tube is ducted into the bottom of the palace or whatever.

The minaret tower sticks up into the prevailing breeze. Which creates a vacuum at the bottom of the tower, pulling air cooled in the underground tube into the bottom of the palace and the hot air in the top out.

Totally passive. And quite effective from what I understand. The drawback being the length of the tube necessary to get it to work properly.

Still way cool though!:2wave:
 
Regulations? Or something to do with a lack of humidity or other atmospheric limitation in that area? Not that familiar with heat pumps beyond basic concept.

On that constant temp. below ground thing, my favorite is the minaret system in the middle east.

A long tube is buried an appropriate distance underground, with one end somewhere shady.

Then this tube is ducted into the bottom of the palace or whatever.

The minaret tower sticks up into the prevailing breeze. Which creates a vacuum at the bottom of the tower, pulling air cooled in the underground tube into the bottom of the palace and the hot air in the top out.

Totally passive. And quite effective from what I understand. The drawback being the length of the tube necessary to get it to work properly.

Still way cool though!:2wave:

earth coupled heat pumps use the somewhat constant temperature underground as heat sink/source. I saw one that had a pipe buried 6 feet down and around the perimeter of an acre lot, worked really well. Water ran thru the pipe, went to a tank in the basement which served as the secondary side of the heat pump. No noisy external fan blowing air thru a condensor coil. The coil was in the water tank. Runs very quiet....
BUT, the soil has to be damp. Dry soil is a poor thermal conductor.
 
earth coupled heat pumps use the somewhat constant temperature underground as heat sink/source. I saw one that had a pipe buried 6 feet down and around the perimeter of an acre lot, worked really well. Water ran thru the pipe, went to a tank in the basement which served as the secondary side of the heat pump. No noisy external fan blowing air thru a condensor coil. The coil was in the water tank. Runs very quiet....
BUT, the soil has to be damp. Dry soil is a poor thermal conductor.

Do you remember offhand what that steady state temp underground is? 57? 62? I can't ever remember.

My off grid friends in the desert have been out of the country a lot lately, but one of the things we want to try up there is aquaculture. But at their altitude water evaps so fast it makes the water too cold for tilapia. We're gonna try some heat pump experiments to take advantage of that cold water.
 
Do you remember offhand what that steady state temp underground is? 57? 62? I can't ever remember.

My off grid friends in the desert have been out of the country a lot lately, but one of the things we want to try up there is aquaculture. But at their altitude water evaps so fast it makes the water too cold for tilapia. We're gonna try some heat pump experiments to take advantage of that cold water.

In Logan, Utah, at 8 ft down, temp ranges from about 50 in the winter to about 67 in summer. Easy way to tell is measure the temp of water coming in from outside pipes. Run the tap that is nearest to where it enters the house for about 5 minutes. That will tell you ground temp, next you need to know how deep the pipe is that comes in from the meter. The deeper you go, the less variation thru the year.
Our AZ house has pipes down about a foot, in the summer you can shower using cold only.....cold being about 100 degrees....
 
Forcing it too early? Green is too green, not ripe yet?:shock:

If it was ripe, it wouldn't be subsidized.

Only a small part of green technology is new....most of it is very mature. We already know how to increase efficiencies in our buildings, but only a few builders/contractors are doing it. Every new building should have to meet energy use standards as listed in Architecture 2030.

No. Every new building should meet the demands of the customer, unless occupant safety is clearly at risk. The government's job is to ensure the safety of the public, be it from deliberate malice or professional incompetence.

It is not a government function to save the customer pennies on his energy bill.

No new home should be built without an energy review where a TRAINED building codes officer sits down with the buyer and explains how a few changes can make a big difference in energy bills.

Here's a better idea.

People who want a lifetime savings on energy costs can HIRE a private consultant or attend a for-profit class. No point in expanding government by putting yet another useless person between the customer and the seller.

If a man's too ignorant to be aware that energy savings are possible, too bad for him if he pays too much for energy.

Picture this, Logan, Utah and the communities around it enjoy mild summers and thanks to its elevation, cool nights during those summers. It is "high desert". Most of the older homes have NO air conditioners, many have evaporative cooling.
Most of the newer homes have AC, and the larger ones have multiple AC units.
Several have way too many windows facing east and west, for the view.
Why are we building energy hog buildings at a time when energy is a big issue?:(

Because it's not your money.

That trend is reversing, according to articles I have read. But it needs to reverse a bit quicker.

There are mechanisms to address this.

The words you're trying to avoid are "free" and "market".
 
already being done, by people who speak Spanish well, and english poorly....has the price per mile of new roads gone down?

Of course not.

Companies exploiting the invaders aren't going to charge less. Only companies who can afford to have it's payroll examined are going to admit to using non-goonion labor. Not to mention what the Mayor meant, though he did not say so, was that the nonsense called "prevailing wage laws" must be repealed. Contract awards to non-emergency repairs, or for simple long term maintenance with an emergency rider, should go, simply, to the company with the lowest bid consistent with demonstrated capability to do the job competently.
 
Got links to prove any of this?

No. The Mayor has not found any links proving that windmills don't fit in gas tanks. You'll have to take his post at face value.

Nor does he have any links showing that no one's built a nuclear reactor small enough to power an 18-wheeler.

What is evident is that the green technology MUST be subsidized to be price-competitive with fossil fuel technologies. The Mayor isn't going to waste his time proving the sun rises in the East, either.

The "request for links" ploy is acceptable when the statement in question isn't consistent with known facts, or when it's unusual. Your use of the ploy, however, as a refutation-without-portfolio is simple dishonesty, as your admitted experience in the energy field informs you that green technology is heavily subsidized because it's not economically viable on it's own. Your willingness to use pretense at ignorance is noted.

Rising prices of energy hasn't made very many of us drive less, cool/heat our homes any less.

That's because the summer's travel season isn't upon us yet. Most driving in May is essential driving, with little room to cut back.

The surge in fuel prices is about two months old, and spring is when your typical heating cycle is winding down anyway, and cooling isn't a notable issue in March and April in most of the nation.

So, what's your point, that the weather is ameliorating the impact of the incompetence of the last three presidents temporarily?

Energy prices for businesses are passed on to the consumer.

As are taxes on businesses, just in case you're trying to have a contest to post information everyone is aware of.

I think you are inventing things....

All the time. It's the Mayor's job. But the Mayor doesn't work in Green Energy, and thus has no incentive to invent anything related to the politics of lying.
 
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if it was ripe, it wouldn't be subsidized.

I never said subsidize, those are YOUR words.
no. Every new building should meet the demands of the customer, unless occupant safety is clearly at risk. The government's job is to ensure the safety of the public, be it from deliberate malice or professional incompetence.
it is not a government function to save the customer pennies on his energy bill.
Pennies? How about 30 to 50 percent on your heating bill?
here's a better idea.

People who want a lifetime savings on energy costs can hire a private consultant or attend a for-profit class. No point in expanding government by putting yet another useless person between the customer and the seller.

If a man's too ignorant to be aware that energy savings are possible, too bad for him if he pays too much for energy.
because it's not your money.
Not your money either. We already have code enforcement, they are called inspectors.


The words you're trying to avoid are "free" and "market".[/

The words you often avoid are "common" and "sense"....
 
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No. The Mayor has not found any links proving that windmills don't fit in gas tanks. You'll have to take his post at face value.

Consider reciprocating on that little bit of good manners....



Nor does he have any links showing that no one's built a nuclear reactor small enough to power an 18-wheeler.
actually, they have....the Army had one in Antartica. It was stationary, of course, but could have been adapted.
What is evident is that the green technology MUST be subsidized to be price-competitive with fossil fuel technologies. The Mayor isn't going to waste his time proving the sun rises in the East, either.
The sun doesn't rise in the east all the time. Sometimes in the northeast, sometimes in the southeast. Much of old green tech is easily implemented using a few bucks and a lot of common sense. I take it you have the bucks, but not the common sense.
The "request for links" ploy is acceptable when the statement in question isn't consistent with known facts, or when it's unusual. Your use of the ploy, however, as a refutation-without-portfolio is simple dishonesty, as your admitted experience in the energy field informs you that green technology is heavily subsidized because it's not economically viable on it's own. Your willingness to use pretense at ignorance is noted.
PLOY? so you admit you have no proof other than your opinion. You must get ignored a lot.
That's because the summer's travel season isn't upon us yet. Most driving in May is essential driving, with little room to cut back.

The surge in fuel prices is about two months old, and spring is when your typical heating cycle is winding down anyway, and cooling isn't a notable issue in March and April in most of the nation.
It isn't raining, so there is no need to fix the leaking roof?
So, what's your point, that the weather is ameliorating the impact of the incompetence of the last three presidents temporarily?
As are taxes on businesses, just in case you're trying to have a contest to post information everyone is aware of.
All the time. It's the Mayor's job. But the Mayor doesn't work in Green Energy, and thus has no incentive to invent anything related to the politics of lying.[/
Does the mayor work at anything? What are your job skills? Construction isn't, I hope. I can only imagine the bad advice you would give your customers.
 
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I never said subsidize, those are YOUR words.

Pennies? How about 30 to 50 percent on your heating bill?
Not your money either. We already have code enforcement, they are called inspectors.

The money is called "taxes", and in the Mayor's state, it's the Mayor's money.

If the Mayor or anyone else wants to pay too much for energy, it's none of your business, it's none of your neighbor's business, it's none of the state's business, it the home owner's business.

What part of "land of the free" did you fail to understand in high school?
 
actually, they have....the Army had one in Antartica. It was stationary, of course, but could have been adapted.

The Army had one that pinned a soldierto the ceiling, too.

The sun doesn't rise in the east all the time. Sometimes in the northeast, sometimes in the southeast.

In other words, you have nothing.

Much of old green tech is easily implemented using a few bucks and a lot of common sense. I take it you have the bucks, but not the common sense.

The Mayor has more common sense than the average bear.

The Mayor isn't stupid enough to live in the desert where it gets both ridiculously hot and ridiculously cold. The Mayor had enough sense to move to a land cooled by the breezes off the vast Pacific ocean. The Mayor's total gas bill is less than $100 in the winter, unless he's firing up the heater for his pool....and there's no need to run the AC when the cool breezes moderate the hot days...not to mention the swimming pool...

That's what common sense is for. Moving to where nature provides the energy savings without any effort on the Mayor's part whatsoever.

PLOY? so you admit you have no proof other than your opinion.

No, pointing out your debating tricks isn't evidence of any lack on the part of the Mayor.

The fact that the green nonsense has to be subsidized is sufficient evidence that the subsidized technology isn't commercially viable.

You must get ignored a lot.

Yes, whole bunches of people threaten to dig a hole and jump in it so they won't see what the Mayor writes to tear their posts to pieces. That doesn't stop the Mayor from seeing their posts, it doesn't stop the Mayor from responding to their posts, it doesn't stop everyone else from seeing their posts get shredded, but it stops them from adding further nonsense to what was already their ridiculous statements.

Are you going to put the Mayor on "ignore" now?

It isn't raining, so there is no need to fix the leaking roof?

If its not raining, the roof isn't leaking.

It's a "leaky" roof at that point, ie, subject to leaks. "Leaking" indicates an active condition, "leaky" indicates a potential condition.


Does the mayor work at anything? What are your job skills?

The Mayor is the Mayor.

That's self-explanatory.

Construction isn't, I hope. I can only imagine the bad advice you would give your customers.

What you're implying with that ad hominem is that the Mayor isn't aware of means to maximize energy efficiencies in buildings. You're taking the path of personal insult because you need to ignore what the Mayor actually said.

The Mayor said that it's none of your business if a buyer elects to bear the expense of higher energy operating costs to avoid the expense of paying the up-front costs of greater energy efficiency. This is a valid business model for anyone seeking to build commercial structures which will be rented to tenants paying their own utility bills. The free market allows the tenant to shop around and rent space in a more energy friendly environment if he desires, or to operate his business with a higher utility cost that's passed on to his customers.

Regardless, in what is supposed to be a free nation, if you're not putting your name on the lease, it's literally none of your business. Nor is it the any business of any level of government, so long as the contract is honest.

Perhaps you can explain where there are no "small government" moderates? Every alleged or self-proclaimed "moderate" is always wanting to make government bigger, all in the name of interfering in someone else's business.
 
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The Army had one that pinned a soldierto the ceiling, too.
I worked at the INEL site, familiar with it. The reactor didn't do it, the operator did it. Guns don't kill people, etc.

In other words, you have nothing.
in your mind only.


The Mayor has more common sense than the average bear.
Really? Law enforcement here just tranquilized a lost bear, hauled it back to the deep woods. Was that you?
The Mayor isn't stupid enough to live in the desert where it gets both ridiculously hot and ridiculously cold. The Mayor had enough sense to move to a land cooled by the breezes off the vast Pacific ocean. The Mayor's total gas bill is less than $100 in the winter, unless he's firing up the heater for his pool....and there's no need to run the AC when the cool breezes moderate the hot days...not to mention the swimming pool...
We don't get earthquakes, mudslides, etc.
That's what common sense is for. Moving to where nature provides the energy savings without any effort on the Mayor's part whatsoever.
Now that you have identified Paradise, I hope you get millions of new neighbors, or would that spoil your viewpoint?


No, pointing out your debating tricks isn't evidence of any lack on the part of the Mayor.
you don't use tricks?
The fact that the green nonsense has to be subsidized is sufficient evidence that the subsidized technology isn't commercially viable.
it doesn't have to be subsidized. Our new Utah house wasn't. Most of those tax deals are applied to old buildings getting renovated.
Yes, whole bunches of people threaten to dig a hole and jump in it so they won't see what the Mayor writes to tear their posts to pieces. That doesn't stop the Mayor from seeing their posts, it doesn't stop the Mayor from responding to their posts, it doesn't stop everyone else from seeing their posts get shredded, but it stops them from adding further nonsense to what was already their ridiculous statements.
So you admit that you love shredding others opinions and whine when the tables are turned.
Are you going to put the Mayor on "ignore" now?
Saves time....you are uneducable anyway.
If its not raining, the roof isn't leaking.
It's a "leaky" roof at that point, ie, subject to leaks. "Leaking" indicates an active condition, "leaky" indicates a potential condition.
Semantics, and a ploy to avoid answering.


The Mayor is the Mayor. That's self-explanatory.
and you are self inflated..

What you're implying with that ad hominem is that the Mayor isn't aware of means to maximize energy efficiencies in buildings. You're taking the path of personal insult because you need to ignore what the Mayor actually said.

The Mayor said that it's none of your business if a buyer elects to bear the expense of higher energy operating costs to avoid the expense of paying the up-front costs of greater energy efficiency. This is a valid business model for anyone seeking to build commercial structures which will be rented to tenants paying their own utility bills. The free market allows the tenant to shop around and rent space in a more energy friendly environment if he desires, or to operate his business with a higher utility cost that's passed on to his customers.
again, you insult, but cry when the insults are incoming.
Regardless, in what is supposed to be a free nation, if you're not putting your name on the lease, it's literally none of your business. Nor is it the any business of any level of government, so long as the contract is honest.

Perhaps you can explain where there are no "small government" moderates? Every alleged or self-proclaimed "moderate" is always wanting to make government bigger, all in the name of interfering in someone else's business
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None of my business? Then why do you defend your position so loudly?
you went from free market to free nation.
we are a free nation, free to be wasteful of shared resources in your case. Hope you are free to accept blame for your misdeeds.
There is no such thing as a free market, and free nation is situational. You are not totally free to live as you please. Get over it.
 
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We don't get earthquakes, mudslides, etc.

Earthquakes are fun, and happen certainly less than the every year you're guaranteed to have summer and winter.

Now that you have identified Paradise, I hope you get millions of new neighbors, or would that spoil your viewpoint?

Nope. The Mayor like neighbors. Especially when they're 18 and stacked.

it doesn't have to be subsidized. Our new Utah house wasn't. Most of those tax deals are applied to old buildings getting renovated.

First you say it doesn't need to be subsidized, then you point out a negative subsidy. It's fairly obvious from what the Mayor posts that his argument with lunatic left wing ideas is thatthey inevitably involved taking money from someone else by the government. Are you reading somehow that the Mayor opposes green technology that's paid for in full by private parties?

You're very imaginative.

So you admit that you love shredding others opinions and whine when the tables are turned.

You're not in the furniture moving business and you're still trying to make fiction of what's posted for your edification.

Saves time....you are uneducable anyway.

Again, a pointless ad hominem attack.

Semantics, and a ploy to avoid answering.

No, just ennui with people who can't or won't understand the metaphors and tired cliches they employ instead of making the effort to post crisp fresh prose.

Also, the "ran" you're referring to is the refusal by a succession of US presidents and Congresses to get off their dead asses and stop opposing domestic energy development. As a result, the United States is the only industrialized nation not aggressively exploiting it's own natural resources.

and you are self inflated..

The inflation tube for the auto-pilot is located below it's belt...

again, you insult, but cry when the insults are incoming. .

Nope, the Mayor is an anonymous compilation of ideas and insults are not something given, but something taken. Pointing out the attempts at others to insult is not the same as accepting insult.

none of my business? Then why do you defend your position so loudly?

Hello? You're advocating stealing tax money from people to finance your pet programs. As such, it's none o your business, but your proposals are the Mayor's business since the Mayor pays taxes.

you went from free market to free nation.

In case you missed the memo, the two are inextricably linked.

we are a free nation, free to be wasteful of shared resources in your case. Hope you are free to accept blame for your misdeeds.

Noted that you consider the defense of freedom to be a "misdeed".

There is no such thing as a free market,

Nonsense.

and free nation is situational.

Yes, when enough silly people swallow the no-such-thing-as-a-free-market-kool-aid, national freedom dies.

You are not totally free to live as you please. Get over it.

Oh, yes, please explain your views of the natural limits of individual freedom as a "moderte", ie a socialist-lite, to a real libertarian.
 
Consider reciprocating on that little bit of good manners....




actually, they have....the Army had one in Antartica. It was stationary, of course, but could have been adapted.
The sun doesn't rise in the east all the time. Sometimes in the northeast, sometimes in the southeast. Much of old green tech is easily implemented using a few bucks and a lot of common sense. I take it you have the bucks, but not the common sense. PLOY? so you admit you have no proof other than your opinion. You must get ignored a lot. It isn't raining, so there is no need to fix the leaking roof?


Does the mayor work at anything? What are your job skills? Construction isn't, I hope. I can only imagine the bad advice you would give your customers.

Oops. The mayor's transparency is an unintentional manifestation of the underlying psychosis. Free advice for the mayor. Once the ears are bobbed, the problem will not be cured, but the friction in the movement will be reduced.
Also, the USNavy had a nuclear seaplane in the 1960's. Not a big success, but must have been a small reactor.
 
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