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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Interesting how you and others here post op ed pieces as fact and ignore actual data and claim it is fiction. Our education system is a disaster
    I don't think I've ever posted a link here.

    Certainly not an op ed.

    And you have demonstrated zero ability to THINK about the facts you post.

    You cannot/will not answer a single question or challenge to the concepts your facts REPRESENT.

    This is one way that propagandists LIE.

    Drown your audience in facts so they won't notice what you left out. If somebody notices, repost even more facts that don't address what you've still left out as if more partial proof will eventually equal proof.

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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Do low rates mean low collections thus revenue? Is 68 billion dollars low in your world and that is just the federal excise taxes? Please tell me this is an act?
    You have not compared that 68 billion in taxes with any other nations so the significance of your figure is irrelevant. We do know however that we have the lowest tax on gasoline of any other country in the industrialized world. It is why our gas cost only about half as much as in most EU countries, so quit your whining.
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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You have not compared that 68 billion in taxes with any other nations so the significance of your figure is irrelevant. We do know however that we have the lowest tax on gasoline of any other country in the industrialized world. It is why our gas cost only about half as much as in most EU countries, so quit your whining.
    I asked you a question which of course you ignored like you do all the tough ones. Do low tax rates mean low revenue collection? How do you explain Reagan cutting taxes 10-10-5% and getting more FEDERAL INCOME TAX REVENUE? Problem for you is you cannot explain it nor does it matter. The brainwashed do not care.

    You are the one raising the issue of low gasoline taxes vs. the rest of the world although not true. Russia, China, and of course most of the Middle East don't have high gasoline taxes. I don't give a damn that our gasoline is the cheapest in the world, why do you?

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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by shintao View Post
    I think everbody should pay equal taxes, the same amount, based on citizenship, not income. Why income? How about shoe size? Or the number of teeth you have? Why should I pay more taxes than the homeless man selling cans. We should all pay the same amount.
    I agree!
    I've often voiced the Fairest tax of all.. but mostly for illustration.
    Let's look at some rough numbers.

    El Simplo/Simplest:
    Budget ::::: $3 Trillion 300 million citizens = $10,000 each.
    It doesn't get any easier or "fairer" than that!!!!
    That's EVERYONE of course, child, old, handicapped etc.
    Warren Bufett + wife taxes.... $20,000
    Single Welfare mother of six... $70,000
    Walmart employee/family of 4. $40,000
    92 year retiree on SS ............ $10,000

    More workable? second "fairest".
    $3 Trillion 120,000,000 households/Same Current income tax entities = $25,000 each household (Single or Married couple filing jointly, etc)
    Walmart worker who makes $25,000 (that is their avg pay), pays 100% of his salary before any other deductions in tax, but owes more for SS etc.
    He's in the Hole and of course not eating, housed, transported, or working any more.
    Obviously everyone can't pay "their fair share" which IS about 25k.
    That's basically what you (and others) are asking for.
    Splash the two fairest. Or double/triple everyone else's burden and open Debtor prisons.

    From these two examples, one hopes you can see that ONLY a Progressive income tax is do-able.
    'Possible' trumps 'fair'.
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    http://www.debatepolitics.com/econom...pay-taxes.html
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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Do low tax rates mean low revenue collection?
    Yes, it does. If we charged what all the other countries do we would have much higher revenue collection, would we not?


    How do you explain Reagan cutting taxes 10-10-5% and getting more FEDERAL INCOME TAX REVENUE?
    They didn't over the long-term. The Reagan tax cuts, like those of Bush, and like those in the 20's, all resulted in a short-term growth bubble followed by a recession.

    How do you explain Ciinton raising taxes and getting more in federal income tax revenue and increasing the GDP to debt ration at the same time?


    I don't give a damn that our gasoline is the cheapest in the world, why do you?
    Thanks for that admission!

    Its good info to provide to the nimrods who bitch about gas prices in the US.
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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Catawba;1059479776]Yes, it does. If we charged what all the other countries do we would have much higher revenue collection, would we not?
    No, it does not, you are going to put the tourist industry out of business. There you go again worrying about how much revenue your precious govt. gets so they can waste it and drive up the debt


    They didn't over the long-term. The Reagan tax cuts, like those of Bush, and like those in the 20's, all resulted in a short-term growth bubble followed by a recession.
    Same question, how do you cut Federal Income taxes and grow Federal income tax revenue?

    How do you explain Ciinton raising taxes and getting more in federal income tax revenue and increasing the GDP to debt ration at the same time?
    We had a growing economy when Clinton took office and almost full employment. You will collect more in taxes with full employment vs. what we have today 15 million unemployed


    Thanks for that admission!

    Its good info to provide to the nimrods who bitch about gas prices in the US.
    Spent 35 years on the oil business so why would I bitch about gasoline prices? I am bitching about a govt however that makes .50 a gallon and does nothing to get that amount.

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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No, it does not, you are going to put the tourist industry out of business.
    Ha! Like Europe put the tourist industry out of business?


    Same question, how do you cut Federal Income taxes and grow Federal income tax revenue?
    You don't for long. Each time we tried it, we experience a short-term growth bubble followed by a recesssion and greater debt.



    We had a growing economy when Clinton took office and almost full employment. You will collect more in taxes with full employment vs. what we have today 15 million unemployed
    We had deficit spending and we had rising unemployment when Clinton took office, it went down during his administration as seen below:


    Depression's All Talk, So Far - Seeking Alpha


    The U.S. Debt Ceiling: A Historical Look - Daniel Indiviglio - Business - The Atlantic




    Spent 35 years on the oil business so why would I bitch about gasoline prices? I am bitching about a govt however that makes .50 a gallon and does nothing to get that amount.
    "In the United States, the fuel tax receipts are often dedicated or hypothecated to transportation projects so that the fuel tax is considered by many a user fee. In other countries, the fuel tax is a source of general revenue."
    Fuel tax - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Yes, we have the lowest gasoline taxes in the industrialized world and you are bitching. Sounds like a personal problem to me!
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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We had deficit spending and we had rising unemployment when Clinton took office, it went down during his administration as seen below:
    Yep, thanks to the Republican Congress.

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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Yep, thanks to the Republican Congress.
    Who also spent like drunken sailors during the 2000-2006 years
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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Who also spent like drunken sailors during the 2000-2006 years
    You're absolutely correct. Unfortunately, these Republicans didn't learn the lessons that got Dems kicked out of office in the 90s and put Republicans in power, costing them both the Senate and House. And THAT cost the country dearly because Dems spent money like drunken sailors since 2008.

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