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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Just spent over $75.00 to fill my tank. Gas was just over $4.10/gallon, 18 gallon tank.

    I am seriously regretting buying my current car (2001 Ford Taurus SES). I finally decide to treat myself to something nice a few years ago, and now this happens. <sigh>

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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Just spent over $75.00 to fill my tank. Gas was just over $4.10/gallon, 18 gallon tank.

    I am seriously regretting buying my current car (2001 Ford Taurus SES). I finally decide to treat myself to something nice a few years ago, and now this happens. <sigh>
    We passed peak oil in the US in 1971, and you just noticed? Most of the rest of the world pays double or more what we pay for gas, how did you think we would avoid paying more?
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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The only way your taxes went down under this administration, is if you lost your job.
    or he doesn't have one



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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Just spent over $75.00 to fill my tank. Gas was just over $4.10/gallon, 18 gallon tank.

    I am seriously regretting buying my current car (2001 Ford Taurus SES). I finally decide to treat myself to something nice a few years ago, and now this happens. <sigh>
    The 2001 Taurus is not that bad on gas. Especially compared to SUVs that were very popular at that time. To get something much better on gas you would have had to go to the Civic or Focus and still would have only seen about a 6 mpg-9 mpg difference at most in normal driving.
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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The 2001 Taurus is not that bad on gas. Especially compared to SUVs that were very popular at that time. To get something much better on gas you would have had to go to the Civic or Focus and still would have only seen about a 6 mpg-9 mpg difference at most in normal driving.
    According to

    Fuel Economy of the 2001 Ford Taurus FFV

    it is 19 miles per gallon. 1 gallon is 3.78 liters, and 1 mile is 1.609 km. That gives 30,57 km per gallon, which is then 8.08 km per litre... and that..is HORRIBLE fuel economy. He could save tons of money by getting a compact European car from that era. My 2000 VW Polo goes 18ish km per litre, and a modern European compact car goes far far longer than that. A modern Ford Fiesta goes 47+ miles per gallon according to Ford UK.. yes petrol version.
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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    According to

    Fuel Economy of the 2001 Ford Taurus FFV

    it is 19 miles per gallon. 1 gallon is 3.78 liters, and 1 mile is 1.609 km. That gives 30,57 km per gallon, which is then 8.08 km per litre... and that..is HORRIBLE fuel economy. He could save tons of money by getting a compact European car from that era. My 2000 VW Polo goes 18ish km per litre, and a modern European compact car goes far far longer than that. A modern Ford Fiesta goes 47+ miles per gallon according to Ford UK.. yes petrol version.

    That 19 mpg would be relatively standard in the US for that size of car. SUV and pickups would get far less. The Civic of today would get about 27 mpg in city driving. A VW Polo size car would have trouble selling in the US, the Mazda 2 I think sells in the 10 000 range in the US, the Ford Fiesta (which is based on the Mazda 2 sells in the 70 000 range per year, the other small non hybrid car in the US the Honda Fit might sell 100 000. It gets a fuel rating of 31 mpg combined in the US


    As a side not the European combined rating for fuel economy is about 25% higher then the similar rating in the US for the same car for example

    VW GTi gets 38.5 mpg in the Euro combined rating while getting a ratingh of 27 mpg in the US for the combined rating. The same car with the same engine (european versions have 210 hp vs 200 for the US version
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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    That 19 mpg would be relatively standard in the US for that size of car. SUV and pickups would get far less. The Civic of today would get about 27 mpg in city driving. A VW Polo size car would have trouble selling in the US, the Mazda 2 I think sells in the 10 000 range in the US, the Ford Fiesta (which is based on the Mazda 2 sells in the 70 000 range per year, the other small non hybrid car in the US the Honda Fit might sell 100 000. It gets a fuel rating of 31 mpg combined in the US
    Wont have trouble if gas stays this high... which is my point and the point of all proponents of gas taxes for Americans. They will change the habits of Americans and make them buy smaller and much more fuel efficient cars, rather than the gas guzzling SUVs.

    As a side not the European combined rating for fuel economy is about 25% higher then the similar rating in the US for the same car for example
    Yes, makes you wonder why American made cars are so crap on fuel economy when a similar car in Europe meets our standards.

    And the average European car is hitting 40+ miles per gallon these days, where as the US is still stuck at 23ish or so miles per gallon. So much for the free market.

    VW GTi gets 38.5 mpg in the Euro combined rating while getting a ratingh of 27 mpg in the US for the combined rating. The same car with the same engine (european versions have 210 hp vs 200 for the US version
    Well the VW GTi is hardly a family car heh.. more a petrol head car if you ask me.
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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Wont have trouble if gas stays this high... which is my point and the point of all proponents of gas taxes for Americans. They will change the habits of Americans and make them buy smaller and much more fuel efficient cars, rather than the gas guzzling SUVs.

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    Quite true, had the US higher gas taxes before it would be sending less money outside of the country and it would have more fuel efficient cars on the road right now. The US would be a wealthier nation to a significant degree with higher taxes on oil and gas. Encouraging efficiency reduces waste, and preserves wealth

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    Yes, makes you wonder why American made cars are so crap on fuel economy when a similar car in Europe meets our standards.

    And the average European car is hitting 40+ miles per gallon these days, where as the US is still stuck at 23ish or so miles per gallon. So much for the free market.



    Well the VW GTi is hardly a family car heh.. more a petrol head car if you ask me.
    The point I was trying to make Pete is that the ratings are not directly comparable. The Euro rating is higher for the same car with no differences to the car then the US rating. For a direct comparison on combined ratings take 25% off the Euro rating to see what the car would receive in US ratings
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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Quite true, had the US higher gas taxes before it would be sending less money outside of the country and it would have more fuel efficient cars on the road right now. The US would be a wealthier nation to a significant degree with higher taxes on oil and gas. Encouraging efficiency reduces waste, and preserves wealth
    Agreed

    The point I was trying to make Pete is that the ratings are not directly comparable. The Euro rating is higher for the same car with no differences to the car then the US rating. For a direct comparison on combined ratings take 25% off the Euro rating to see what the car would receive in US ratings
    Actually I think that has much more to do with the type of petrol sold in the US vs Europe. They are supposedly quite different, so the engines have to be made differently to accommodate the different types of petrol. Now if that is true or not I dont know, but it is as plausible (at least) as your statement in my opinion
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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Agreed



    Actually I think that has much more to do with the type of petrol sold in the US vs Europe. They are supposedly quite different, so the engines have to be made differently to accommodate the different types of petrol. Now if that is true or not I dont know, but it is as plausible (at least) as your statement in my opinion

    Europe does or did have lower sulfur content in its gas and diesel, that may have changed recently and the octane rating for gas I believe is higher in Europe on average allowing for higher compression ratios which will improve mileage to a degree, but the main factor is the difference in how the combined rating is calculated. The city rating is actually only 10% different between the two. But the engines of european cars sold in the US only have slight differences between them. Of course the best small engine sold in Europe are not sold in the US currently. Ford is going to start with some of the Focus engines ( Direct injection turbocharged)
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