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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    ]quote=mayor snorkum;1059460819]

    I never said subsidize, those are YOUR words.

    Pennies? How about 30 to 50 percent on your heating bill?
    Not your money either. We already have code enforcement, they are called inspectors.
    The money is called "taxes", and in the Mayor's state, it's the Mayor's money.

    If the Mayor or anyone else wants to pay too much for energy, it's none of your business, it's none of your neighbor's business, it's none of the state's business, it the home owner's business.

    What part of "land of the free" did you fail to understand in high school?

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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    actually, they have....the Army had one in Antartica. It was stationary, of course, but could have been adapted.
    The Army had one that pinned a soldierto the ceiling, too.

    The sun doesn't rise in the east all the time. Sometimes in the northeast, sometimes in the southeast.
    In other words, you have nothing.

    Much of old green tech is easily implemented using a few bucks and a lot of common sense. I take it you have the bucks, but not the common sense.
    The Mayor has more common sense than the average bear.

    The Mayor isn't stupid enough to live in the desert where it gets both ridiculously hot and ridiculously cold. The Mayor had enough sense to move to a land cooled by the breezes off the vast Pacific ocean. The Mayor's total gas bill is less than $100 in the winter, unless he's firing up the heater for his pool....and there's no need to run the AC when the cool breezes moderate the hot days...not to mention the swimming pool...

    That's what common sense is for. Moving to where nature provides the energy savings without any effort on the Mayor's part whatsoever.

    PLOY? so you admit you have no proof other than your opinion.
    No, pointing out your debating tricks isn't evidence of any lack on the part of the Mayor.

    The fact that the green nonsense has to be subsidized is sufficient evidence that the subsidized technology isn't commercially viable.

    You must get ignored a lot.
    Yes, whole bunches of people threaten to dig a hole and jump in it so they won't see what the Mayor writes to tear their posts to pieces. That doesn't stop the Mayor from seeing their posts, it doesn't stop the Mayor from responding to their posts, it doesn't stop everyone else from seeing their posts get shredded, but it stops them from adding further nonsense to what was already their ridiculous statements.

    Are you going to put the Mayor on "ignore" now?

    It isn't raining, so there is no need to fix the leaking roof?
    If its not raining, the roof isn't leaking.

    It's a "leaky" roof at that point, ie, subject to leaks. "Leaking" indicates an active condition, "leaky" indicates a potential condition.


    Does the mayor work at anything? What are your job skills?
    The Mayor is the Mayor.

    That's self-explanatory.

    Construction isn't, I hope. I can only imagine the bad advice you would give your customers.
    What you're implying with that ad hominem is that the Mayor isn't aware of means to maximize energy efficiencies in buildings. You're taking the path of personal insult because you need to ignore what the Mayor actually said.

    The Mayor said that it's none of your business if a buyer elects to bear the expense of higher energy operating costs to avoid the expense of paying the up-front costs of greater energy efficiency. This is a valid business model for anyone seeking to build commercial structures which will be rented to tenants paying their own utility bills. The free market allows the tenant to shop around and rent space in a more energy friendly environment if he desires, or to operate his business with a higher utility cost that's passed on to his customers.

    Regardless, in what is supposed to be a free nation, if you're not putting your name on the lease, it's literally none of your business. Nor is it the any business of any level of government, so long as the contract is honest.

    Perhaps you can explain where there are no "small government" moderates? Every alleged or self-proclaimed "moderate" is always wanting to make government bigger, all in the name of interfering in someone else's business.

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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Mayor Snorkum;1059460904]
    The Army had one that pinned a soldierto the ceiling, too.
    I worked at the INEL site, familiar with it. The reactor didn't do it, the operator did it. Guns don't kill people, etc.

    In other words, you have nothing.
    in your mind only.


    The Mayor has more common sense than the average bear.
    Really? Law enforcement here just tranquilized a lost bear, hauled it back to the deep woods. Was that you?
    The Mayor isn't stupid enough to live in the desert where it gets both ridiculously hot and ridiculously cold. The Mayor had enough sense to move to a land cooled by the breezes off the vast Pacific ocean. The Mayor's total gas bill is less than $100 in the winter, unless he's firing up the heater for his pool....and there's no need to run the AC when the cool breezes moderate the hot days...not to mention the swimming pool...
    We don't get earthquakes, mudslides, etc.
    That's what common sense is for. Moving to where nature provides the energy savings without any effort on the Mayor's part whatsoever.
    Now that you have identified Paradise, I hope you get millions of new neighbors, or would that spoil your viewpoint?


    No, pointing out your debating tricks isn't evidence of any lack on the part of the Mayor.
    you don't use tricks?
    The fact that the green nonsense has to be subsidized is sufficient evidence that the subsidized technology isn't commercially viable.
    it doesn't have to be subsidized. Our new Utah house wasn't. Most of those tax deals are applied to old buildings getting renovated.
    Yes, whole bunches of people threaten to dig a hole and jump in it so they won't see what the Mayor writes to tear their posts to pieces. That doesn't stop the Mayor from seeing their posts, it doesn't stop the Mayor from responding to their posts, it doesn't stop everyone else from seeing their posts get shredded, but it stops them from adding further nonsense to what was already their ridiculous statements.
    So you admit that you love shredding others opinions and whine when the tables are turned.
    Are you going to put the Mayor on "ignore" now?
    Saves time....you are uneducable anyway.
    If its not raining, the roof isn't leaking.
    It's a "leaky" roof at that point, ie, subject to leaks. "Leaking" indicates an active condition, "leaky" indicates a potential condition.
    Semantics, and a ploy to avoid answering.


    The Mayor is the Mayor. That's self-explanatory.
    and you are self inflated..

    What you're implying with that ad hominem is that the Mayor isn't aware of means to maximize energy efficiencies in buildings. You're taking the path of personal insult because you need to ignore what the Mayor actually said.

    The Mayor said that it's none of your business if a buyer elects to bear the expense of higher energy operating costs to avoid the expense of paying the up-front costs of greater energy efficiency. This is a valid business model for anyone seeking to build commercial structures which will be rented to tenants paying their own utility bills. The free market allows the tenant to shop around and rent space in a more energy friendly environment if he desires, or to operate his business with a higher utility cost that's passed on to his customers.
    again, you insult, but cry when the insults are incoming.
    Regardless, in what is supposed to be a free nation, if you're not putting your name on the lease, it's literally none of your business. Nor is it the any business of any level of government, so long as the contract is honest.

    Perhaps you can explain where there are no "small government" moderates? Every alleged or self-proclaimed "moderate" is always wanting to make government bigger, all in the name of interfering in someone else's business
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    None of my business? Then why do you defend your position so loudly?
    you went from free market to free nation.
    we are a free nation, free to be wasteful of shared resources in your case. Hope you are free to accept blame for your misdeeds.
    There is no such thing as a free market, and free nation is situational. You are not totally free to live as you please. Get over it.
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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    We don't get earthquakes, mudslides, etc.
    Earthquakes are fun, and happen certainly less than the every year you're guaranteed to have summer and winter.

    Now that you have identified Paradise, I hope you get millions of new neighbors, or would that spoil your viewpoint?
    Nope. The Mayor like neighbors. Especially when they're 18 and stacked.

    it doesn't have to be subsidized. Our new Utah house wasn't. Most of those tax deals are applied to old buildings getting renovated.
    First you say it doesn't need to be subsidized, then you point out a negative subsidy. It's fairly obvious from what the Mayor posts that his argument with lunatic left wing ideas is thatthey inevitably involved taking money from someone else by the government. Are you reading somehow that the Mayor opposes green technology that's paid for in full by private parties?

    You're very imaginative.

    So you admit that you love shredding others opinions and whine when the tables are turned.
    You're not in the furniture moving business and you're still trying to make fiction of what's posted for your edification.

    Saves time....you are uneducable anyway.
    Again, a pointless ad hominem attack.

    Semantics, and a ploy to avoid answering.
    No, just ennui with people who can't or won't understand the metaphors and tired cliches they employ instead of making the effort to post crisp fresh prose.

    Also, the "ran" you're referring to is the refusal by a succession of US presidents and Congresses to get off their dead asses and stop opposing domestic energy development. As a result, the United States is the only industrialized nation not aggressively exploiting it's own natural resources.

    and you are self inflated..
    The inflation tube for the auto-pilot is located below it's belt...

    again, you insult, but cry when the insults are incoming. .
    Nope, the Mayor is an anonymous compilation of ideas and insults are not something given, but something taken. Pointing out the attempts at others to insult is not the same as accepting insult.

    none of my business? Then why do you defend your position so loudly?
    Hello? You're advocating stealing tax money from people to finance your pet programs. As such, it's none o your business, but your proposals are the Mayor's business since the Mayor pays taxes.

    you went from free market to free nation.
    In case you missed the memo, the two are inextricably linked.

    we are a free nation, free to be wasteful of shared resources in your case. Hope you are free to accept blame for your misdeeds.
    Noted that you consider the defense of freedom to be a "misdeed".

    There is no such thing as a free market,
    Nonsense.

    and free nation is situational.
    Yes, when enough silly people swallow the no-such-thing-as-a-free-market-kool-aid, national freedom dies.

    You are not totally free to live as you please. Get over it.
    Oh, yes, please explain your views of the natural limits of individual freedom as a "moderte", ie a socialist-lite, to a real libertarian.

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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    [QUOTE=UtahBill;1059460891]
    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post

    Consider reciprocating on that little bit of good manners....




    actually, they have....the Army had one in Antartica. It was stationary, of course, but could have been adapted.
    The sun doesn't rise in the east all the time. Sometimes in the northeast, sometimes in the southeast. Much of old green tech is easily implemented using a few bucks and a lot of common sense. I take it you have the bucks, but not the common sense. PLOY? so you admit you have no proof other than your opinion. You must get ignored a lot. It isn't raining, so there is no need to fix the leaking roof?


    Does the mayor work at anything? What are your job skills? Construction isn't, I hope. I can only imagine the bad advice you would give your customers.
    Oops. The mayor's transparency is an unintentional manifestation of the underlying psychosis. Free advice for the mayor. Once the ears are bobbed, the problem will not be cured, but the friction in the movement will be reduced.
    Also, the USNavy had a nuclear seaplane in the 1960's. Not a big success, but must have been a small reactor.
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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    =Mayor Snorkum;1059461320]
    As a result, the United States is the only industrialized nation not aggressively exploiting it's own natural resources.
    still stuck on oil? what else would you exploit?


    Hello? You're advocating stealing tax money from people to finance your pet programs. As such, it's none o your business, but your proposals are the Mayor's business since the Mayor pays taxes.
    never said that, ad hominy grits, anyone?

    Yes, when enough silly people swallow the no-such-thing-as-a-free-market-kool-aid, national freedom dies.
    the reason the Kool-Aid is often called purple is because red and blue make purple. Some people dring the red, some the blue, libertarians drink from both.
    Oh, yes, please explain your views of the natural limits of individual freedom as a "moderte", ie a socialist-lite, to a real libertarian.
    I am sure you can define free market to your satisfaction, but like communism, it doesn't exist as originally defined, and never will.
    Libertarians are often those who take extreme views without limiting themselves to the extreme views of the far left or the far right.
    What is a REAL libertarian? I have seen many arguments as to what makes up a real conservative, with no consensus, of course. What makes you any more real than the next libertarian? Especially since libertarians rarely get elected....
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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Earthquakes are fun, and happen certainly less than the every year you're guaranteed to have summer and winter.



    Nope. The Mayor like neighbors. Especially when they're 18 and stacked.



    First you say it doesn't need to be subsidized, then you point out a negative subsidy. It's fairly obvious from what the Mayor posts that his argument with lunatic left wing ideas is thatthey inevitably involved taking money from someone else by the government. Are you reading somehow that the Mayor opposes green technology that's paid for in full by private parties?

    You're very imaginative.



    You're not in the furniture moving business and you're still trying to make fiction of what's posted for your edification.



    Again, a pointless ad hominem attack.



    No, just ennui with people who can't or won't understand the metaphors and tired cliches they employ instead of making the effort to post crisp fresh prose.

    Also, the "ran" you're referring to is the refusal by a succession of US presidents and Congresses to get off their dead asses and stop opposing domestic energy development. As a result, the United States is the only industrialized nation not aggressively exploiting it's own natural resources.



    The inflation tube for the auto-pilot is located below it's belt...



    Nope, the Mayor is an anonymous compilation of ideas and insults are not something given, but something taken. Pointing out the attempts at others to insult is not the same as accepting insult.



    Hello? You're advocating stealing tax money from people to finance your pet programs. As such, it's none o your business, but your proposals are the Mayor's business since the Mayor pays taxes.



    In case you missed the memo, the two are inextricably linked.



    Noted that you consider the defense of freedom to be a "misdeed".



    Nonsense.



    Yes, when enough silly people swallow the no-such-thing-as-a-free-market-kool-aid, national freedom dies.



    Oh, yes, please explain your views of the natural limits of individual freedom as a "moderte", ie a socialist-lite, to a real libertarian.
    ..."an anonymous compilation of ideas", huh?

    So an artificial construct, possibly a team?

    But a fraud, not an actual person, hence the use of the third person?

    Pretty much what I surmised.

    Thanks for the confirmation.
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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We are importing natural gas now too for the first time.
    Not true. We've always, at least since the early 1970s, imported a small percentage of our natural gas. We import a tiny percentage even though we are the world's leading producer of natural gas. Our production has even risen over the past five years.

    Actually, the U.S. proven oil and gas reserves have increased significantly in recent years.

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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Not true. We've always, at least since the early 1970s, imported a small percentage of our natural gas. We import a tiny percentage even though we are the world's leading producer of natural gas. Our production has even risen over the past five years.

    Actually, the U.S. proven oil and gas reserves have increased significantly in recent years.
    US natural gas reserves (recoverable) has increased dramatically in the last 5 years. Mostly from the North east area of the US (Penn, NY etc). Production from that area has driven down natural gas prices on the north american market heavily
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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    US natural gas reserves (recoverable) has increased dramatically in the last 5 years. Mostly from the North east area of the US (Penn, NY etc). Production from that area has driven down natural gas prices on the north american market heavily
    They used to just burn a lot of it off, due to not having a way to transport it.
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