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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Nice! Ive been talking with my contractor buddy about starting a sideline for his remodeling company modifying existing central heating systems to whole house exhaust setups.

    Neither of us know enough so we're meeting with an HVAC expert.

    Seems like it should be relatively easy. Just a matter of ducting/filters.

    Smart House tech has a lot of HVAC components. Many wireless. Makes it all a lot easier. More customer friendly.

    Someday I'm gonna have a house I can talk to.
    Talk to? I have a friend, in his 70's, bought a high tech house....he can't operate it.
    Keep it simple for the old folks.....

    As for "experts", I asked one question of several HVAC business owners before I got the answer, trust me, most of them are NOT experts....
    The question was, why aren't earth coupled heat pumps used in AZ, or Utah, or NV, or NM?
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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

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    Talk to? I have a friend, in his 70's, bought a high tech house....he can't operate it.
    Keep it simple for the old folks.....

    As for "experts", I asked one question of several HVAC business owners before I got the answer, trust me, most of them are NOT experts....
    The question was, why aren't earth coupled heat pumps used in AZ, or Utah, or NV, or NM?
    Care to guess?
    Regulations? Or something to do with a lack of humidity or other atmospheric limitation in that area? Not that familiar with heat pumps beyond basic concept.

    On that constant temp. below ground thing, my favorite is the minaret system in the middle east.

    A long tube is buried an appropriate distance underground, with one end somewhere shady.

    Then this tube is ducted into the bottom of the palace or whatever.

    The minaret tower sticks up into the prevailing breeze. Which creates a vacuum at the bottom of the tower, pulling air cooled in the underground tube into the bottom of the palace and the hot air in the top out.

    Totally passive. And quite effective from what I understand. The drawback being the length of the tube necessary to get it to work properly.

    Still way cool though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Regulations? Or something to do with a lack of humidity or other atmospheric limitation in that area? Not that familiar with heat pumps beyond basic concept.

    On that constant temp. below ground thing, my favorite is the minaret system in the middle east.

    A long tube is buried an appropriate distance underground, with one end somewhere shady.

    Then this tube is ducted into the bottom of the palace or whatever.

    The minaret tower sticks up into the prevailing breeze. Which creates a vacuum at the bottom of the tower, pulling air cooled in the underground tube into the bottom of the palace and the hot air in the top out.

    Totally passive. And quite effective from what I understand. The drawback being the length of the tube necessary to get it to work properly.

    Still way cool though!
    earth coupled heat pumps use the somewhat constant temperature underground as heat sink/source. I saw one that had a pipe buried 6 feet down and around the perimeter of an acre lot, worked really well. Water ran thru the pipe, went to a tank in the basement which served as the secondary side of the heat pump. No noisy external fan blowing air thru a condensor coil. The coil was in the water tank. Runs very quiet....
    BUT, the soil has to be damp. Dry soil is a poor thermal conductor.
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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    earth coupled heat pumps use the somewhat constant temperature underground as heat sink/source. I saw one that had a pipe buried 6 feet down and around the perimeter of an acre lot, worked really well. Water ran thru the pipe, went to a tank in the basement which served as the secondary side of the heat pump. No noisy external fan blowing air thru a condensor coil. The coil was in the water tank. Runs very quiet....
    BUT, the soil has to be damp. Dry soil is a poor thermal conductor.
    Do you remember offhand what that steady state temp underground is? 57? 62? I can't ever remember.

    My off grid friends in the desert have been out of the country a lot lately, but one of the things we want to try up there is aquaculture. But at their altitude water evaps so fast it makes the water too cold for tilapia. We're gonna try some heat pump experiments to take advantage of that cold water.
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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

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    Do you remember offhand what that steady state temp underground is? 57? 62? I can't ever remember.

    My off grid friends in the desert have been out of the country a lot lately, but one of the things we want to try up there is aquaculture. But at their altitude water evaps so fast it makes the water too cold for tilapia. We're gonna try some heat pump experiments to take advantage of that cold water.
    In Logan, Utah, at 8 ft down, temp ranges from about 50 in the winter to about 67 in summer. Easy way to tell is measure the temp of water coming in from outside pipes. Run the tap that is nearest to where it enters the house for about 5 minutes. That will tell you ground temp, next you need to know how deep the pipe is that comes in from the meter. The deeper you go, the less variation thru the year.
    Our AZ house has pipes down about a foot, in the summer you can shower using cold only.....cold being about 100 degrees....
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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Forcing it too early? Green is too green, not ripe yet?
    If it was ripe, it wouldn't be subsidized.

    Only a small part of green technology is new....most of it is very mature. We already know how to increase efficiencies in our buildings, but only a few builders/contractors are doing it. Every new building should have to meet energy use standards as listed in Architecture 2030.
    No. Every new building should meet the demands of the customer, unless occupant safety is clearly at risk. The government's job is to ensure the safety of the public, be it from deliberate malice or professional incompetence.

    It is not a government function to save the customer pennies on his energy bill.

    No new home should be built without an energy review where a TRAINED building codes officer sits down with the buyer and explains how a few changes can make a big difference in energy bills.
    Here's a better idea.

    People who want a lifetime savings on energy costs can HIRE a private consultant or attend a for-profit class. No point in expanding government by putting yet another useless person between the customer and the seller.

    If a man's too ignorant to be aware that energy savings are possible, too bad for him if he pays too much for energy.

    Picture this, Logan, Utah and the communities around it enjoy mild summers and thanks to its elevation, cool nights during those summers. It is "high desert". Most of the older homes have NO air conditioners, many have evaporative cooling.
    Most of the newer homes have AC, and the larger ones have multiple AC units.
    Several have way too many windows facing east and west, for the view.
    Why are we building energy hog buildings at a time when energy is a big issue?
    Because it's not your money.

    That trend is reversing, according to articles I have read. But it needs to reverse a bit quicker.
    There are mechanisms to address this.

    The words you're trying to avoid are "free" and "market".

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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    already being done, by people who speak Spanish well, and english poorly....has the price per mile of new roads gone down?
    Of course not.

    Companies exploiting the invaders aren't going to charge less. Only companies who can afford to have it's payroll examined are going to admit to using non-goonion labor. Not to mention what the Mayor meant, though he did not say so, was that the nonsense called "prevailing wage laws" must be repealed. Contract awards to non-emergency repairs, or for simple long term maintenance with an emergency rider, should go, simply, to the company with the lowest bid consistent with demonstrated capability to do the job competently.

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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Got links to prove any of this?
    No. The Mayor has not found any links proving that windmills don't fit in gas tanks. You'll have to take his post at face value.

    Nor does he have any links showing that no one's built a nuclear reactor small enough to power an 18-wheeler.

    What is evident is that the green technology MUST be subsidized to be price-competitive with fossil fuel technologies. The Mayor isn't going to waste his time proving the sun rises in the East, either.

    The "request for links" ploy is acceptable when the statement in question isn't consistent with known facts, or when it's unusual. Your use of the ploy, however, as a refutation-without-portfolio is simple dishonesty, as your admitted experience in the energy field informs you that green technology is heavily subsidized because it's not economically viable on it's own. Your willingness to use pretense at ignorance is noted.

    Rising prices of energy hasn't made very many of us drive less, cool/heat our homes any less.
    That's because the summer's travel season isn't upon us yet. Most driving in May is essential driving, with little room to cut back.

    The surge in fuel prices is about two months old, and spring is when your typical heating cycle is winding down anyway, and cooling isn't a notable issue in March and April in most of the nation.

    So, what's your point, that the weather is ameliorating the impact of the incompetence of the last three presidents temporarily?

    Energy prices for businesses are passed on to the consumer.
    As are taxes on businesses, just in case you're trying to have a contest to post information everyone is aware of.

    I think you are inventing things....
    All the time. It's the Mayor's job. But the Mayor doesn't work in Green Energy, and thus has no incentive to invent anything related to the politics of lying.

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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    ]quote=mayor snorkum;1059460819]
    if it was ripe, it wouldn't be subsidized.
    I never said subsidize, those are YOUR words.
    no. Every new building should meet the demands of the customer, unless occupant safety is clearly at risk. The government's job is to ensure the safety of the public, be it from deliberate malice or professional incompetence.
    it is not a government function to save the customer pennies on his energy bill.
    Pennies? How about 30 to 50 percent on your heating bill?
    here's a better idea.

    People who want a lifetime savings on energy costs can hire a private consultant or attend a for-profit class. No point in expanding government by putting yet another useless person between the customer and the seller.

    If a man's too ignorant to be aware that energy savings are possible, too bad for him if he pays too much for energy.
    because it's not your money.
    Not your money either. We already have code enforcement, they are called inspectors.


    The words you're trying to avoid are "free" and "market".[/
    The words you often avoid are "common" and "sense"....
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    [QUOTE=Mayor Snorkum;1059460831]
    No. The Mayor has not found any links proving that windmills don't fit in gas tanks. You'll have to take his post at face value.
    Consider reciprocating on that little bit of good manners....



    Nor does he have any links showing that no one's built a nuclear reactor small enough to power an 18-wheeler.
    actually, they have....the Army had one in Antartica. It was stationary, of course, but could have been adapted.
    What is evident is that the green technology MUST be subsidized to be price-competitive with fossil fuel technologies. The Mayor isn't going to waste his time proving the sun rises in the East, either.
    The sun doesn't rise in the east all the time. Sometimes in the northeast, sometimes in the southeast. Much of old green tech is easily implemented using a few bucks and a lot of common sense. I take it you have the bucks, but not the common sense.
    The "request for links" ploy is acceptable when the statement in question isn't consistent with known facts, or when it's unusual. Your use of the ploy, however, as a refutation-without-portfolio is simple dishonesty, as your admitted experience in the energy field informs you that green technology is heavily subsidized because it's not economically viable on it's own. Your willingness to use pretense at ignorance is noted.
    PLOY? so you admit you have no proof other than your opinion. You must get ignored a lot.
    That's because the summer's travel season isn't upon us yet. Most driving in May is essential driving, with little room to cut back.

    The surge in fuel prices is about two months old, and spring is when your typical heating cycle is winding down anyway, and cooling isn't a notable issue in March and April in most of the nation.
    It isn't raining, so there is no need to fix the leaking roof?
    So, what's your point, that the weather is ameliorating the impact of the incompetence of the last three presidents temporarily?
    As are taxes on businesses, just in case you're trying to have a contest to post information everyone is aware of.
    All the time. It's the Mayor's job. But the Mayor doesn't work in Green Energy, and thus has no incentive to invent anything related to the politics of lying.[/
    Does the mayor work at anything? What are your job skills? Construction isn't, I hope. I can only imagine the bad advice you would give your customers.
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