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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx
    That was in reference to public sector jobs.
    And they're still just as unemployed. Do you think Boehner/Conservatives will exclude unemployed public sector employees from the unemployment numbers when they're trying to skewer the Democrats?

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    Public workers out number the private sector workers now.
    You might want to check out that statement again (or for the first time, which ever is applicable).
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    We are the only society on the planet that wastes? I'm sure you jest.
    I said "most wastful", which you somehow translated in your head to the only society on the planet that wastes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Picture this, Logan, Utah and the communities around it...
    I read this and asked, "How did he know my name?!?" Then I looked at Utah and saw you were refering to a town. ROFL

    Forcing it too early? Green is too green, not ripe yet?
    Only a small part of green technology is new....most of it is very mature. We already know how to increase efficiencies in our buildings, but only a few builders/contractors are doing it. Every new building should have to meet energy use standards as listed in Architecture 2030. No new home should be built without an energy review where a TRAINED building codes officer sits down with the buyer and explains how a few changes can make a big difference in energy bills.
    I'm not talking about the age of the tech per se' but more the cost. Solar is still very expensive for the average homeowner or small business (which would include most home builders) as are many other technologies. Many still do not bring us an equal or better return on the energy/dollar ratio. Yes the more they are implimented the cheaper the tech gets and the more research goes into it to make it better. Why would you want to force a home to have certain standards if it would raise the price out of the reach of the average worker? Unless we want to go through the whole lending to people who can't afford the payments thing again that helped put us in this recession.

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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    I read this and asked, "How did he know my name?!?" Then I looked at Utah and saw you were refering to a town. ROFL



    I'm not talking about the age of the tech per se' but more the cost. Solar is still very expensive for the average homeowner or small business (which would include most home builders) as are many other technologies. Many still do not bring us an equal or better return on the energy/dollar ratio. Yes the more they are implimented the cheaper the tech gets and the more research goes into it to make it better. Why would you want to force a home to have certain standards if it would raise the price out of the reach of the average worker? Unless we want to go through the whole lending to people who can't afford the payments thing again that helped put us in this recession.
    Well, Logan, I have SPIES EVERYWHERE !!!!
    You are thinking of active solar systems, which I dismissed in the 70's. Too much equipment and too much money.
    Look up Edward Mazria's book on Passive Solar Design; there are others, but none as informative as his. He has a regular version, and an Engineers version, but they are about the same.
    Passive building techniques can save a bundle on heating costs...and are cheap if done as the house is being built.
    Also look up Architecture 2030, also involving Edward Mazria. His plan is to require all new buildings to meet new energy efficiency codes so that they need less power. If we get serious about making buildings more efficient, we can get by with fewer new power plants....
    Think about how far along we would be if we did for buildings what we have already done for cars, starting in the early 70's....
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    wasn't someone saying that it is liberals who hate the poor?
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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    wasn't someone saying that it is liberals who hate the poor?
    You are correct sir. And they will completely ignore the posted facts or try to spin it in their favor with unsubstantiated opinion. Watch and see!
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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Well, Logan, I have SPIES EVERYWHERE !!!!
    You are thinking of active solar systems, which I dismissed in the 70's. Too much equipment and too much money.
    Look up Edward Mazria's book on Passive Solar Design; there are others, but none as informative as his. He has a regular version, and an Engineers version, but they are about the same.
    Passive building techniques can save a bundle on heating costs...and are cheap if done as the house is being built.
    Also look up Architecture 2030, also involving Edward Mazria. His plan is to require all new buildings to meet new energy efficiency codes so that they need less power. If we get serious about making buildings more efficient, we can get by with fewer new power plants....
    Think about how far along we would be if we did for buildings what we have already done for cars, starting in the early 70's....
    Passive solar, for heating/cooling, is amazingly effective.

    Lived in the desert for a while, where you learn a lot of this stuff.

    Deciduous trees on the sun side shade during the summer, allow sunlight to hit the house in the winter.

    Swamp coolers require one to learn how air moves through ones house.

    I've amazed several people with what look like irrelevant solutions that yield powerful results.

    I think the organized resistance to these approaches is simply that it makes one less dependant on energy from traditional monolithic sources.

    I know several people who are off-grid or working towards it, and they really do look at the world differently.

    They ALL enjoy a sort of liberty few of us are even aware we don't share.
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    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Passive solar, for heating/cooling, is amazingly effective.

    Lived in the desert for a while, where you learn a lot of this stuff.

    Deciduous trees on the sun side shade during the summer, allow sunlight to hit the house in the winter.

    Swamp coolers require one to learn how air moves through ones house.

    I've amazed several people with what look like irrelevant solutions that yield powerful results.

    I think the organized resistance to these approaches is simply that it makes one less dependant on energy from traditional monolithic sources.

    I know several people who are off-grid or working towards it, and they really do look at the world differently.

    They ALL enjoy a sort of liberty few of us are even aware we don't share.
    Something even the "pros" don't even think of, concerning evap coolers....
    Mine was on the roof, next to the AC, installed to use the AC ducting for supply, then there were upducts in every room of the house that let the air escape into the attic. I got tired of installing/removing foam blocks for winter time, and just sealed them off.
    I knocked a hole in the wall between kitchen and garage, installed a duct return/filter holder in the hole, forget the size, but it was big enough. Now all the evap cooled air coming in via AC ducting exited the rooms under the doors, flowed down the hall to the kitchen, then into the garage. From there the air went into the attic thru a 16" ceiling mounted fan that was on its own attic mounted thermostat. That fan only ran under power during the humid months, when we had to run the AC. I put that in because the attic vent fan mounted inside the attic, thru the roof, kept burning out. Better to push cooler air into the attic than to pull really hot air out of it.
    Winter time, I put a large chunk of foam rubber in the filter return between kitchen and garage.
    It worked really well, then the evap cooler failed from old age, so we put in a new one that was overkill in size. It could make the house really cold.
    Not done yet, the installer for the new evap ran the water overflow/bleed line to a bathroom vent, but I moved it to run into a barrel with a self siphoning drain that kept 2 citrus trees well watered....
    All that water and some dried chicken poop from the local egg farm, and we had more oranges and grapefruit than we knew what to do with.
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    Re: Gasoline Taxes Per Gallon Nearly 7 Times Exxon Mobiles

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Something even the "pros" don't even think of, concerning evap coolers....
    Mine was on the roof, next to the AC, installed to use the AC ducting for supply, then there were upducts in every room of the house that let the air escape into the attic. I got tired of installing/removing foam blocks for winter time, and just sealed them off.
    I knocked a hole in the wall between kitchen and garage, installed a duct return/filter holder in the hole, forget the size, but it was big enough. Now all the evap cooled air coming in via AC ducting exited the rooms under the doors, flowed down the hall to the kitchen, then into the garage. From there the air went into the attic thru a 16" ceiling mounted fan that was on its own attic mounted thermostat. That fan only ran under power during the humid months, when we had to run the AC. I put that in because the attic vent fan mounted inside the attic, thru the roof, kept burning out. Better to push cooler air into the attic than to pull really hot air out of it.
    Winter time, I put a large chunk of foam rubber in the filter return between kitchen and garage.
    It worked really well, then the evap cooler failed from old age, so we put in a new one that was overkill in size. It could make the house really cold.
    Not done yet, the installer for the new evap ran the water overflow/bleed line to a bathroom vent, but I moved it to run into a barrel with a self siphoning drain that kept 2 citrus trees well watered....
    All that water and some dried chicken poop from the local egg farm, and we had more oranges and grapefruit than we knew what to do with.
    Nice! Ive been talking with my contractor buddy about starting a sideline for his remodeling company modifying existing central heating systems to whole house exhaust setups.

    Neither of us know enough so we're meeting with an HVAC expert.

    Seems like it should be relatively easy. Just a matter of ducting/filters.

    Smart House tech has a lot of HVAC components. Many wireless. Makes it all a lot easier. More customer friendly.

    Someday I'm gonna have a house I can talk to.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
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