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    Re: Obama only paid a 26% income tax rate for 2010

    Why did you just bring up his Ivy League background? What difference does that make? Does it take a ivy league education to see that he should act according to his beliefs?

    As for the parent issue, he feels the money is extra, not needed, it wouldn't be irresponsible to pay more on that ground.
    He's acted consistently with his beliefs. If he believed people would voluntarily pay more taxes, then he wouldn't be demanding a law to force them. If people gave what was needed to society willingly, then welfare programs wouldn't exist.

    Obama partakes of the same self-interest as everyone else in society, because neither he nor anyone else has strong personal incentive not to. Doesn't mean that self-interest should be allowed to continue if it compromises the continuation of the nation.

    I bring up his Ivy League education because that background can foster a certain attitude about irrationality.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 04-23-11 at 04:24 PM.
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    Re: Obama only paid a 26% income tax rate for 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    So paying the legal tax rate is avoiding it?
    He used loopholes, and while that is legal, it is avoiding taxes.

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    Re: Obama only paid a 26% income tax rate for 2010

    Well, other than the fact that your post is not completely coherent (or I am having trouble with your odd grammar), if one wishes to change the tax code, than that is a separate issue from paying taxes.

    How is Bammy "leading" on this issue, that should help you.

    Ultimately one issue is about the structure of something while the other issue would be about adherence to that structure. So given that, I still do not see a good basis for your complaint, only accusations that seem to bare little connection, as far as I can tell.

    Try looking at it in a linear manner and not through an emotional lense, the structure is a side issue.....my statement stands Obama, and the majority of the Left are hypocrites.....IF they want to Lead why don't they give EVERYTHING they earn beyond their Public Servant salaries to "help" with the programs they want EVERYONE else to pay for...if they do not their cries of someone not paying "their fair share" ring holl and pathetic.

    But then again, a lot of people on this forum seem to suffer from a lack of coherence in their arguments (and its generally the ones who think their arguments are always a slam dunk, its odd that those two things are often correlated), so I guess its to be expected.

    Yes of course we could all learn so much from you folks who simply "know" better....sorry, no...
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    Re: Obama only paid a 26% income tax rate for 2010

    As opposed to leading by "giving" more himself....you are making an assumption about him you can't support.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    He's acted consistently with his beliefs. If he believed people would voluntarily pay more taxes, then he wouldn't be demanding a law to force them. If people gave what was needed to society willingly, then welfare programs wouldn't exist.

    Obama partakes of the same self-interest as everyone else in society, because neither he nor anyone else has strong personal incentive not to. Doesn't mean that self-interest should be allowed to continue if it compromises the continuation of the nation.

    I bring up his Ivy League education because that background can foster a certain attitude about irrationality.
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    Re: Obama only paid a 26% income tax rate for 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    As opposed to leading by "giving" more himself....you are making an assumption about him you can't support.
    You'll have to elaborate on that one.

    "Leading" requires self-sacrifice, but it also requires people buy what you're selling. Obama ignored more lucrative careers in law to devote himself to community service. Republicans turned that virtue into a talking point against him during the election. Meanwhile, corporate personalities dominate the Republican Party.

    Proving himself non-self interested had no symbolic value back then, and as such can't support his "leadership" role.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 04-23-11 at 04:44 PM.
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    Re: Obama only paid a 26% income tax rate for 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    He's acted consistently with his beliefs. If he believed people would voluntarily pay more taxes, then he wouldn't be demanding a law to force them. If people gave what was needed to society willingly, then welfare programs wouldn't exist.
    People give voluntarily to what they believe in everyday unlike Obama apparently. Welfare programs exist because the government said it was needed, not because it was needed. Almost all welfare programs had little to no need when they were created.

    Obama partakes of the same self-interest as everyone else in society, because neither he nor anyone else has strong personal incentive not to. Doesn't mean that self-interest should be allowed to continue if it compromises the continuation of the nation.
    I'm not going to get into a budget issue with you. Lets just say this, demanding things for the government for yourself and expecting me to pay for them is not reasonable or acceptable. This goes back to the same issue, pay for what you believe and do what you believe. Same issue really.

    I bring up his Ivy League education because that background can foster a certain attitude about irrationality.
    I'm sorry but that is offensive.

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    Re: Obama only paid a 26% income tax rate for 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    You'll have to elaborate on that one.
    You are assuming the he would take the step to "give" more himself, that is an assumption on your part...

    If he believed people would voluntarily pay more taxes, then he wouldn't be demanding a law to force them. If people gave what was needed to society willingly, then welfare programs wouldn't exist.

    As to your second point.....it does not recognize that the "programs" themselves are failures, nor that that they are out of control spending wise....it simply "assumes" that we as Americans "don't give enough".
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    Re: Obama only paid a 26% income tax rate for 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what is stopping him is a tax code laden with tax loopholes. the ones he wants closed

    it appears you ignored the statement of Judge Learned Hand
    Those loopholes aren't mandatory.

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    Re: Obama only paid a 26% income tax rate for 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    You are assuming the he would take the step to "give" more himself, that is an assumption on your part...

    If he believed people would voluntarily pay more taxes, then he wouldn't be demanding a law to force them. If people gave what was needed to society willingly, then welfare programs wouldn't exist.

    As to your second point.....it does not recognize that the "programs" themselves are failures, nor that that they are out of control spending wise....it simply "assumes" that we as Americans "don't give enough".
    Are there not enough debates about welfare programs without bringing their efficiency or lack thereof to bare here? This is about the personal ethics of demanding tax increases on an income bracket when you are capitalizing on all the tax breaks you can under the current tax code.

    You are assuming the he would take the step to "give" more himself, that is an assumption on your part...
    I'm not following. If he passed a policy where people of his income bracket had to pay more but didn't pay himself, then that would be perilous.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 04-23-11 at 04:51 PM.
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    Re: Obama only paid a 26% income tax rate for 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I got a feeling if he had paid more, you'd be saying something about how he must think we are all dumb, how else would he think we'd all follow the 'messiah' and do something as idiotic and give more money than we had to to the government.

    That or some other BS.
    It blows me away how you're all defending him not paying, "his fair share".

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