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    Re: Obama only paid a 26% income tax rate for 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    My assumption is that they are not lying. So I would go with a "they probably are"



    Or maybe they didn't claim it on their taxes? Or maybe any other number of other things. Maybe, asking leading questions shouldn't replace real analysis.

    They didn't claim legitimate deductions on their taxes? Uh...yeah...right!

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    Re: Obama only paid a 26% income tax rate for 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They didn't claim legitimate deductions on their taxes? Uh...yeah...right!
    If one is going to make assumptions and ask leading questions, like Barb did, then it leaves the field wide open for anyone to ask any sort of question as a substitute for actual logic and reasoning. So, my question still stands ...

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    Re: Obama only paid a 26% income tax rate for 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I never said that he didn't pay the taxes that he legally owed. The problem that I have, is that he insists that millionares don't pay enough taxes, all the while, he's a millionare paying about 9% under the current rate. Can you say, "hypocrite"?
    Your impression of what current rate is and how it relates to Obama's 26%flawed is what I am trying to tell you.

    The 35% rate applies only to some of a person's money. The article you supplied listed two different kinds of tax rates. One that applies to only part of an individual's income--35%--and another number which was the over all amount of taxes paid relative to Obama's total income--26%.
    They are two different things. It doesn't mean anything to take one and subtract it from the other.


    Someone who uses the highest tax rate, the 35%, doesn't pay 35% of their total income--only 35% of income that is greater than a certain amount. The rest of their income is taxed at other rates. All of these different rates together are used to generate a total amount of taxes owed. Then you can take that total and compare it to the total amount of income. The percentage of total income that's paid will always be lower than the highest percent of taxes that paid on only part of it. That's just how the math works.
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    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Obama only paid a 26% income tax rate for 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Nope, the fundamental basis of leading is getting people to do what you want, further qualifying it by linking it to character traits (which may be useful in identifying what kind of leader a person is), like you are doing, muddles the point.
    Leading by example helps in getting people to do what you want. Leading by opinion is shallow and won't inspire anyone to what you wish.

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    Re: Obama only paid a 26% income tax rate for 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Leading by example helps in getting people to do what you want. Leading by opinion is shallow and won't inspire anyone to what you wish.
    Lets look at leaderships and all its type
    leadership by physical strength or intimidation
    leadership by fear
    leadership by blackmail
    leadership by trickery
    leadership by inspiration
    leadership by example
    leadership by social heirarchy or organizational structure
    leadership by convention
    leadership by influence
    leadership by consensus
    (other types I am sure)

    In the end, the leader is getting people to do something. People are responding to Obama's requests due to any number of those mechanisms mentioned (in the case of diplomacy, it may be one group of things, in the case of domestic politics, it may be another, etc). In the end, people are doing stuff they otherwise would not be doing because of him, therefore he is a leader.
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    Re: Obama only paid a 26% income tax rate for 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The top rate for people making over a million dollars is 35%.
    But note that the 35% doesn't apply to someone total income--only the part that is over whatever amount. The other parts of a person's income are taxed at different rates.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Obama only paid a 26% income tax rate for 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    My assumption is that they are not lying. So I would go with a "they probably are"



    Or maybe they didn't claim it on their taxes? Or maybe any other number of other things. Maybe, asking leading questions shouldn't replace real analysis.
    Why would they claim them some years and not others? Not sure what they gave recently. For charity sake, I hope they tried to catch up with the Bush's and Cheney's. I doubt it though, since Obama doesn't seem all that generous, when he used the loopholes and only paid what he legally owed in taxes.
    And Biden....what a tight wad.
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    Re: Obama only paid a 26% income tax rate for 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Lets look at leaderships and all its type
    leadership by physical strength or intimidation
    leadership by fear
    leadership by blackmail
    leadership by trickery
    leadership by inspiration
    leadership by example
    leadership by social heirarchy or organizational structure
    leadership by convention
    leadership by influence
    leadership by consensus
    (other types I am sure)

    In the end, the leader is getting people to do something. People are responding to Obama's requests due to any number of those mechanisms mentioned (in the case of diplomacy, it may be one group of things, in the case of domestic politics, it may be another, etc). In the end, people are doing stuff they otherwise would not be doing because of him, therefore he is a leader.

    I think Obama possesses two of the qualities, but that's all.

    Leadership Traits – The Five Most Important Leadership Qualities

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    Honest
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    Inspiring
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    These five qualities come from Kouzes and Posner’s research into leadership that was done for
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    Re: Obama only paid a 26% income tax rate for 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The top rate for people making over a million dollars is 35%. So, obviously, they didn't pay the top rate.
    Well, at least we cleared up that you don't know how a progressive income tax works. The only part of President Obama's income that is subject to the 35% is anything above $350,000. Everything else is subject to the corresponding tax brackets. For example, excluding deductions, he would pay the same amount on his first $50,000 as someone who only made $50,000.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No proof, just doing my duty by questioning my president.
    I am glad to see that all it would took for you to do your duty is for a Democrat to be in the White House. Keep up the good work!

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    Re: Obama only paid a 26% income tax rate for 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    I was going to say maybe he lost his job, but he's the only one in the country with a guaranteed job for 4 years.

    Damn it must be nice. Fyck up the country royally and get paid for it.
    His job isn't guaranteed

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