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New labor plan: Nationwide protests

Just saying that when their stated goal is "change for the better" that doesn't really sound so evil. I'm skeptical as to whether they'll be able to produce that...

Kind of like Hope and Change. Sounds really nice, but would have been nice to know what it meant.

I wonder what their "better" means?
 
The SEIU’s ambitious effort is a dramatic departure from its straightforward approach to the 2008 campaign. That year, the union pressed a single-minded and ultimately successful focus on getting Democrats to commit to a health care overhaul. Then it spent more than $32.5 million in independent expenditures to elect Barack Obama.

The plan does not revolve as centrally around the 2012 elections as the SEIU’s political program did in 2008, when it was the largest outside supporter of candidate Obama

SEIU reported spending $85 million on politics in 2008, including the independent expenditure program and a massive mobilization of its own members

Personally, I would love to see upward mobility of our underpaid, hard working (yes, they still do exist in great numbers even in low paying jobs) citizens. I think that a solid middle class can only benefit our country as opposed to the growing polarity that is growing evident. I do however believe that this responsibility should fall on workers, in true grass-roots fashion. I just find it very disingenuous when the leading fiscal donor for Obama's election is the driving force.

I fully support publicly funded elections, a MUCH shorter legislatively regulated campaigning window, as well as end to corporate personhood. This would, in my opinion, create a much more honest election process.

Based on these beliefs I feel it would be hypocritical of me to support the union being the driving force in a "the end justifies the means" sort of way.

I believe questioning and challenging your government is essential, but the responsibility should, again, fall on the workers instead of the facade of a "grass-roots campaign."
 
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I was talking to my dad (who is an IBEW member) this morning about this crap. My dad's words exactly

"The whinny bastards need to shut the **** up and get back to work"

New labor plan: Nationwide protests - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

About 11% of the population are union members now. There are countries in our history that did not allow unions but I can't say I ever had the desire to live and work in one of them. Our own history was most unpleasant for workers before collective bargaining. I think we abandon unions at our own peril. Especially at time that has also seen the passage of Citizen's Unlimited.
 
So where is this evidence that Unions are the ones causing the problems with the state budgets?
Last time i checked unions are agreeing to cuts they just want to keep their collective bargaining rights..
Question is where is the CEO's pay cuts? The hierarchy's cuts?
 
I did, and I have mixed feelings. While in Michigan, I worked for the UAW, at Lear-Siegler. I hated being in the Union, so I got myself hired at Texas Instruments (an open shop), moved to Houston, and left the union behind. But that's me. Others swear by unions, and if that is how they wish to work, then more power to them. Adam Smith himself said that EVERYTHING is exploitable, and that includes the sweat off a man's brow. If corporations can exploit labor resources, then I don't see why the laborers themselves can't exploit those resources too. After all, those resources (labor) belong to those who have them, and just as corporations can set a price on their products, workers also have the right to set a price and benefit amount on their labor as well. It's capitalism all around. If you want to bust down the unions, then you might as well begin dictating how much a company should be allowed to sell its products for. If one is bad, then so is the other. Labor is a commodity too, and of course, it belongs to the owners of that commodity. If you don't agree with that, then crap, I will agree with you. Let me buy a gun, go to the nearest electronics store, and demand a flat screen TV for 10 bucks. LOL.

You made some good points... I did note Barbtx and Apdst thanked this post... Something tells me they don't understand what you're actually saying... :2razz:
 
All the while his dad reaped those benefits, he more than likely wasn't a whiney bastard and went to work everyday and did his ****ing job.

Impossible. Everybody in unions are lazy
 
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Kind of like Hope and Change. Sounds really nice, but would have been nice to know what it meant.

I wonder what their "better" means?

Exactly. Sounds nice, but let's see what happens.
 
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