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    Re: GOP official apologizes for Obama chimp email

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What is being ingored in the discussion but is also manifestly being demonstrated by this discussion is that there exists in American politics a very intentional and deliberate strategy on the part of the right wing to remove the topic of RACISM and any subsequent discussion of RACISM from the table. This is being done as a tactic of self preservation for the right wing itself. The word has gone out for some time now to right wingers all across the land spread by conservative and libertarian think tanks, spokespersons and office holders. Here is but one example but a prominent one

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    The idea on its face is that 'conservatism is not the same as racism". And indeed, that can be true in some instances. But what is also true is that American conservatives have historically lined up on the opposite side of the Civil Rights community - African Americans and other minorities - in opposition to policies that they advocate.

    The word has gone out to conservatives, libertarians and others on the right side of these issues that you need to effectively neutralize the strong stigma of the charge of racism because it prevents those on the right from saying what they want to really say about many issues near and dear to them.

    We see that right here where the usual suspects feel it necessary to attack Democrats from past history (FDR in the Thirties) when current Republican transgressions (the Obama chimp parent picture) are being discussed.
    We see it when some here attempt to get off the defensive and go on the offensive changing the subject from the sins of the right (racism and discrimination) to the policies favored by the left (affirmative action).

    It is important to see this for what it really is. This is merely a tactic in a war of ideology. Its goal is to remove the charge of racism from our society in order to provide a clear and unobstructed path for the right to pursue their more nefarious goals of repealing much of the progressive reform of the 20th century.
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    Are you sure that's the link you meant to post? It makes Conservatives look good and liberals out to be race baiters if not racists.
    There is power in the accusation of racism against conservatives, one that liberals understand well. In an April 2008 post on Journolist, a private online community for liberal journalists, academics and activists, one writer proposed a way to distract conservatives from the campaign controversy surrounding the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Barack Obama's pastor. "If the right forces us all to either defend Wright or tear him down, no matter what we choose, we lose the game they've put upon us," Spencer Ackerman wrote. "Instead, take one of them--Fred Barnes, Karl Rove, who cares--and call them racists."

    Joe Biden, a Delaware Democrat, after all, who described presidential candidate Obama as "the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy." If a conservative politician had offered such an opinion, his or her career might have ended; Biden was rewarded with a spot on Obama's ticket

    in the 2008 campaign, conservatives were at least as roused by Obama's ties to the white former radical William Ayers as the black Jeremiah Wright, both of whom seemed to make a living out of damning America.
    Liberal interpretations that portray modern conservatism as standing athwart the "rights revolution" of the 1960s are hard pressed to explain the growing number of minority and female candidates favored by the conservative rank and file. Marco Rubio, Nikki Haley, Susana Martinez, Brian Sandoval, Tim Scott, Ryan Frazier, Raul Labrador and Jaime Herrera are GOP nominees for the Senate, governorships and the House because Republican voters preferred them over their white opponents. Allen West in Florida and Jon Barela in New Mexico were the consensus GOP choices to run for competitive House seats. Many of these candidates are well-positioned to win their races and help change the public face of modern conservatism.
    The old conservatism-as-racism story has outlived all usefulness and accuracy. November might be a good time to start a rethink.
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    Re: GOP official apologizes for Obama chimp email

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    … there exists in American politics a very intentional and deliberate strategy on the part of the right wing to remove the topic of RACISM and any subsequent discussion of RACISM from the table. This is being done as a tactic of self preservation for the right wing itself. …
    Here's why: it's just about unavoidable that racially insensitive or outright racist comments will occur within the Republican party because as it turns out it's membership is just about all white.

    “The Republican Party today is first and foremost a political entity dominated by white Americans. Eighty-nine percent of rank-and-file Republicans are non-Hispanic whites, leaving just 5% who are Hispanic (of any race), 2% who are black, and 4% of other races.” — Frank Newport, GALLUP, “Republican Base Heavily White, Conservative, Religious”

    The Republican party by beating down on racist charges now is seeking to inoculate itself against the inevitable lapses that will come almost certainly at inopportune moments in the not-too distant future.
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    Re: GOP official apologizes for Obama chimp email

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Mathews is obsessed with race, and in my opinion, he is your typical liberal.
    Chris Matthews on Obama State of the Union address: 'I forgot he was black' (video)
    Chris Matthews is an individual. He represents himself. You should meet more liberals.

    Question for conservatives. When listening to Obama spew his rhetoric are you thinking about his skin color?
    Here's Mathews admitting that is what he thinks about, well, except for that hour where he "forgot"

    Not sure I'd go as far as calling that racist, but it sure is an obsession with the color of a persons skin.
    Like I said, he represents himself.

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    Re: GOP official apologizes for Obama chimp email

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Here's why: it's just about unavoidable that racially insensitive or outright racist comments will occur within the Republican party because as it turns out it's membership is just about all white.

    “The Republican Party today is first and foremost a political entity dominated by white Americans. Eighty-nine percent of rank-and-file Republicans are non-Hispanic whites, leaving just 5% who are Hispanic (of any race), 2% who are black, and 4% of other races.” — Frank Newport, GALLUP, “Republican Base Heavily White, Conservative, Religious

    The Republican party by beating down on racist charges now is seeking to inoculate itself against the inevitable lapses that will come almost certainly at inopportune moments in the not-too distant future.
    I was reading an article (I wish I could remember where) about how the Republican Party might start losing many more elections in coming decades since the minority population is growing and generally Democratic. Oh well.

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    Re: GOP official apologizes for Obama chimp email

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I was reading an article (I wish I could remember where) about how the Republican Party might start losing many more elections in coming decades since the minority population is growing and generally Democratic. Oh well.


    So are you saying that minorities don't want to vote for white people? And who is getting called out as racist?
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    Re: GOP official apologizes for Obama chimp email

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Here's why: it's just about unavoidable that racially insensitive or outright racist comments will occur within the Republican party because as it turns out it's membership is just about all white.
    So...being white makes one more prone to being racially insensitive and outright racist?

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    Re: GOP official apologizes for Obama chimp email

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    The fact that we're talking about it means that it is a reality.


    Reality is that which exists. Ideas exist...in our minds. For example, a lie is real, but what the lie says exists, however, is not real. For example again, the idea of a unicorn is real, but unicorns are not. Ideas are real.


    1. If race is genetic, how it is not real?
    2. I'm not confused. Race describes the divisions of human beings into groups sharing certain somewhat arbitrary physical characteristics. Culture describes the pattern of living within a particular society or population. Both are created by human beings - race is created by attributing meaning to physical features and culture is created by living together. Both influence each other.
    3. I think you're confused.

    Again, you think you're educating me, but you're not. I also never said anything about "race existing due to cultural identity" so I don't even know what you're talking about.


    Pretty much:




    Actually the racial divide has gotten better as evidence by...everything.


    Umm...yes you can. Let me show you: "there are many different races that human beings recognize and all of them are equal because physical characteristics are insignificant".


    Umm...no. But thanks for playing.
    I dont understand the relevance of your little "reality" shindig. Reality is the facts and the concept of race does not match the facts.

    "1. If race is genetic, how it is not real?"
    OMG you are so fustrating, the misconception of the thing we call "race" tries to be based on genetics. Race is NOT real, you can see every color of skin on the melatonin rainbow. It's stupid to identify yourself on the basis of physical characteristics, these differences are arbitrary and should be recognized as such by the government. If i had your head i would be a white supremacist, but im not i think there is no such thing race just racist people that try to make it a reality.


    it was just a general non-serious hypothesis that i had thinking that liberals are racist, but you are definitely making it more and more convincing to me that your ideology toward this issue is based on racism.

    Your way of thinking just divides and slows the progress of humanity.

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    Re: GOP official apologizes for Obama chimp email

    Actually I think he's saying the majority of minorities don't want to vote for Republicans, since he clearly is talking about the Republican Party. But nice Sharptoning of his post.

    And what he says is true. The majority of minorities aren't likely to vote for Republicans. The fallacy some people make is in thinking that said fact means Republicans don't care about minorities or are racists for not actively courting minorities through race based recruitment.

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    Re: GOP official apologizes for Obama chimp email

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So are you saying that minorities don't want to vote for white people? And who is getting called out as racist?
    What are you even talking about? I'm saying minorities don't generally vote for Republicans - which is a fact. You do realize that there are white Democrats and that minorities generally vote for them?

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    Re: GOP official apologizes for Obama chimp email

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    The fact that we're talking about it means that it is a reality.


    Reality is that which exists. Ideas exist...in our minds. For example, a lie is real, but what the lie says exists, however, is not real. For example again, the idea of a unicorn is real, but unicorns are not. Ideas are real.
    Okay, you do not make sense....
    I say racism does not exist.
    You say racism is an idea... i agree
    You say ideas are real... depends what you mean by "real" real as it is in your head, yes. Real as in it is based on actual scientific evidence, not necessarily.

    Your example, "the idea of a unicorn is real, but unicorns are not. Ideas are real." fails
    we are replacing race with unicorn

    the idea of race is real, but races are not. Ideas are real.
    people definitely have the idea, but it is a misconception, a fallacy when applied to the real world when every human being is born with equal rights.

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