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    Yes, requiring ID online to use government services is communism. I mean, besides the fact that you can either not use the services OR you can just use a pen and paper instead. But yeah, good point. How's that Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck working out for you?
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    Re: Obama administration unveils online ID system

    Obama isn't 'Obama'. He's Barry Soetoro.

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    Re: Obama administration unveils online ID system

    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post
    Obama isn't 'Obama'. He's Barry Soetoro.
    It's sad that I even know what you are talking about. That's how many crazy people I have "debated" with.
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    Re: Obama administration unveils online ID system

    I don't like it. The potential for abuse it too high.

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    Re: Obama administration unveils online ID system

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I am not a fan of this at all. However, as long as it stays voluntary and in relation to using government services... it won't infringe on my life at all. In fact, it is completely avoidable by just using a pen and paper instead of the internet.
    Or we could tell them to butt out of the Internet. Just a thought. Instead saying well at least I still have a pen.


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    You do not know communists, he will fight for Socialism in America and never stop it.
    It doesn't bother me so much that he is fighting for what he believes in, what bothers me is that he won't stop when the ideas don't pass through the branches of government. Instead he goes in a blatantly unconstitutional direction using executive agencies to get whatever he wants. Last time I checked there was three branches of government and the EPA, or FCC are not one of them. They have no authority constitutionally to pass laws on their own. It bull**** a dictator would do or a king and he isn't either one, however much he wants to be.

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    Re: Obama administration unveils online ID system

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Yes, requiring ID online to use government services is communism. I mean, besides the fact that you can either not use the services OR you can just use a pen and paper instead. But yeah, good point. How's that Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck working out for you?

    Government service? The Internet is NOT a government service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Government service? The Internet is NOT a government service.
    It will not be required to use the Internet. It will be required to use the Internet for government services (collecting social security, doing transactions with the DMV, Medicare, e-filing taxes, etc). But, if you do not feel like doing that, you can do it the way people have done it since before 2000, and that's by pen and paper.

    As long as it stays in the realm of using government services, I am not going to complain.
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    Re: Obama administration unveils online ID system

    I'm not sure where the "government services" part of the program came from (in this thread), but all the articles I've read indicate that this is a consumer based system that will "take care of basic needs from grocery shopping to paying taxes and dating." (WIRED)

    100% voluntary? I'm all for it
    100% voluntary with inroads to 100% mandatory? no thanks

    Personally I believe this is simply a swap out for the soon to be defunct social security number. This will eventually be a government identification system that is tied-in to e-commerce. We'll never really know how much the government is spying on us, but we don't really know how much they're doing it now either.

    I'll take the tired, well-worn and apathetic road and say this is the way of the future - there's really nothing we can do about it. As long as there is money being exchanged online, there will be those who try to steal it. I would personally rather the government steadfastly hold the companies who host the online exchange of funds ultimately responsible. But those companies have far too much influence to be held ultimately responsible for a safe consumer environment. One thing that will not go away in this future, this Meadesque time of voluptas sine mora we're encroaching on is "buyer beware."

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    Re: Obama administration unveils online ID system

    The only way to tackle the massive amount of fraud effectively is through the government. All in all this is definetely a good idea that will probably be implemented fairly, openly, transparently, effectively.

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    Re: Obama administration unveils online ID system

    Quote Originally Posted by Hand View Post
    I'm not sure where the "government services" part of the program came from (in this thread), but all the articles I've read indicate that this is a consumer based system that will "take care of basic needs from grocery shopping to paying taxes and dating." (WIRED)

    100% voluntary? I'm all for it
    100% voluntary with inroads to 100% mandatory? no thanks

    Personally I believe this is simply a swap out for the soon to be defunct social security number. This will eventually be a government identification system that is tied-in to e-commerce. We'll never really know how much the government is spying on us, but we don't really know how much they're doing it now either.

    I'll take the tired, well-worn and apathetic road and say this is the way of the future - there's really nothing we can do about it. As long as there is money being exchanged online, there will be those who try to steal it. I would personally rather the government steadfastly hold the companies who host the online exchange of funds ultimately responsible. But those companies have far too much influence to be held ultimately responsible for a safe consumer environment. One thing that will not go away in this future, this Meadesque time of voluptas sine mora we're encroaching on is "buyer beware."
    Weird. I heard it was only related to online government services while listening to conservative talk radio. I figure if anyone is likely to take a normal story like that and turn it into some crazy "OMG I can't even go online now" conspiracy it would be there. I did find this:

    Obama's online trusted ID plan greeted with caution - Computerworld
    When fully implemented, the new identity infrastructure will allow Internet users the option of obtaining trusted online identity credentials from a range of private service providers and from government entities.
    The way I understand it is that is completely voluntary but the government could require it for the use of government services. I would not want to use it... imagine having one username/password for everything. It's a terrible idea.
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