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    Re: The People of Vermont vs. Nuclear Power

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
    90% less carbon is MUCH cleaner. Mercury and sulfer are easy to scrub.

    "Bow City has been designed from the outset to have the smallest feasible carbon footprint, using super-critical combustion technology to generate the lowest level of CO2 emissions per unit of power of any coal-fired power plant in Canada.


    The project is continuing with plans to incorporate an amine scrubbing system capable of removing up to 90% of the project's CO2 emissions.


    This will move Bow City's carbon emissions well below the requirements being proposed by government and make it Canada's first true "clean coal" power project, said BCPL.


    The scrubbed CO2 is proposed to be permanently disposed of into nearby oil fields for enhanced oil recovery..."






    Bow City Power Project continues with CCS plans - Carbon Capture Journal


    Bow City Power Project continues with CCS plans - Carbon Capture Journal


    High Efficiency super critical boiler have increased efficiency, with special tube metals for increased heat transfer efficiency.



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    Long on marketing, short on information pertaining to how much cleaner than the average coal plant. It does have the advantage of operating from ONE coal source. Emissions out is highly dependent on how clean the fuel is, and if they have a consistent mix being burned, they can plan for it. Sulphur and CO2 are not the only nasty things coming out of the stacks.
    Arsenic, lead, other heavy metals, cadmium, and even uranium is often found in coal, and those pollutants don't get consumed in the coal burning process, so all those things go out the stack...
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    Re: The People of Vermont vs. Nuclear Power

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    It may be an exaggeration, you can research it if you like, but as a former nuke operator myself, it is true.
    Coal is not pure, it contains lots of radioactive components in small quantities, and when the coal gets burned and the waste goes out the stack, the radioactive stuff goes out as well, along with sulphur, mercury, etc.
    Clean Coal does NOT exist....cleaner burning coal fired plants, yes, but there is no such thing as CLEAN when coal is the source, only a bit cleanER...
    Thank you. That actually makes sense and I will take you at your word that you are a former nuke operator, and thus an expert on the subject. I do appreciate it when such assertions are supported. The original poster should have done so.

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    Re: The People of Vermont vs. Nuclear Power

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    I think you have now misspelt this at least three times in this thread... if you are going to try to use fancy terms, at least spell them correctly...
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    Re: The People of Vermont vs. Nuclear Power

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Arsenic, lead, other heavy metals, cadmium, and even uranium is often found in coal, and those pollutants don't get consumed in the coal burning process, so all those things go out the stack...
    Scrubbbers spray water into stack gasses, and remove the impurities. Handling and separating the impurities is a second, necessary step. But removing impurities from the stack is fairly simple and highly effective.

    http://www.albuw.ait.ac.th/Group_R/M...roloptions.pdf


    http://www.epa.gov/ttnatw01/utility/...paperfinal.pdf


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    Research grants for Thorium Power?


    http://energyfromthorium.com/forum/v...86e7c56f0abd40


    http://www.iaea.org/inisnkm/nkm/aws/.../te_1319_5.pdf



    Why is China ahead of the US and West on Thorium power?

    http://www.climateactionprogramme.or...ar_technology/




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    Re: The People of Vermont vs. Nuclear Power

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    oh, the shame, the FRENCH are ahead of us!!!
    Yes and no. Nuclear security is pretty appalling in America. Security tests are pretty much rigged with guards told before. Even still, there was an incident where the FBI actually managed to steal some contained waste with a forklift and no one noticed.

    So reprocessing may make us more vulnerable.
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    Re: The People of Vermont vs. Nuclear Power

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Yes and no. Nuclear security is pretty appalling in America. Security tests are pretty much rigged with guards told before. Even still, there was an incident where the FBI actually managed to steal some contained waste with a forklift and no one noticed.

    So reprocessing may make us more vulnerable.
    Link? what level of waste was stolen? spent fuel? low level waste?
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    Re: The People of Vermont vs. Nuclear Power

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
    Scrubbbers spray water into stack gasses, and remove the impurities. Handling and separating the impurities is a second, necessary step. But removing impurities from the stack is fairly simple and highly effective.

    http://www.albuw.ait.ac.th/Group_R/M...roloptions.pdf


    http://www.epa.gov/ttnatw01/utility/...paperfinal.pdf


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    Research grants for Thorium Power?


    Energy From Thorium Discussion Forum • View topic - US Nuclear Regulatory Commission Research Conference Grant


    http://www.iaea.org/inisnkm/nkm/aws/.../te_1319_5.pdf



    Why is China ahead of the US and West on Thorium power?

    China research surge to dominate thorium nuclear technology - Climate Action Programme




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    Wikipedia says scrubbers remove SOME of the pollutants, not all...
    meaning some impurities are only partially removed....and/or some not at all...
    here is a good read on coal...
    How Coal Works | Union of Concerned Scientists
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    Re: The People of Vermont vs. Nuclear Power

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
    Scrubbbers spray water into stack gasses, and remove the impurities. Handling and separating the impurities is a second, necessary step. But removing impurities from the stack is fairly simple and highly effective.

    http://www.albuw.ait.ac.th/Group_R/M...roloptions.pdf


    http://www.epa.gov/ttnatw01/utility/...paperfinal.pdf


    Scrubber - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Research grants for Thorium Power?


    Energy From Thorium Discussion Forum • View topic - US Nuclear Regulatory Commission Research Conference Grant


    http://www.iaea.org/inisnkm/nkm/aws/.../te_1319_5.pdf



    Why is China ahead of the US and West on Thorium power?

    China research surge to dominate thorium nuclear technology - Climate Action Programme




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    You're not going to get it all. As it stands, nuclear energy is much cleaner than coal. There is a problem with the waste, where to store it and such since a lot of the waste products are going to be around for awhile. However, at the same accord we're not talking about massive amounts of radioactive material here. The nuclear process is fairly efficient and so the mas of the waste tends to be small since you don't need a lot of material to start with. Now there are differences in waste depending on the type of reactor you have. Breeder reactors tend to produce very very little waste; however one of the side products is nuclear grade plutonium. Breeder reactors are the ones designed to run off of thorium (which should now answer your question as to why China is well ahead of the US in terms of breeder reactors).

    Storage of nuclear waste can be handled in old salt mines and other places. The radiation risk to everyone else is minimal in these circumstances. Less than going outside on a very sunny day (particularly where I live, since in Colorado the natural radiation received outside is much higher than at sea level). Long term storage is an issue with not only designing containers which will work well enough, but also oddly enough language. Because of the half life of some of the material, particularly from standard (not breeder) reactors is very long; the material will stay radioactive for well longer than any one language has been stable. Which I always thought was interesting. Though the point is not to stagnate on nuclear energy. It's great, it's clean, it's efficient; but there are better things we can develop which can alleviate the waste concerns and we should be pushing towards development of that as well. You never want to stagnate on any one thing, we have to move forward; always pushing. But we should not fear nuclear energy as it is one of the best forms of energy we have currently.
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    Re: The People of Vermont vs. Nuclear Power

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    but there are better things we can develop which can alleviate the waste concerns and we should be pushing towards development of that as well. You never want to stagnate on any one thing, we have to move forward; always pushing.

    What additonal forms of clean energy are promising, for which additional research might prove fruitful?




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    Re: The People of Vermont vs. Nuclear Power

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Link? what level of waste was stolen? spent fuel? low level waste?
    Failing the Nuclear Security Test - Newsweek

    I think the FBI test was a couple years ago. I do remember seeing a picture of them driving off on a forklift with a waste casket.
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