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    Re: The People of Vermont vs. Nuclear Power

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    QUOTE"Now, even considering the kind of event that would happen once in ONE THOUSAND YEARS or more, what threat is faced in Vermont that would cause the same problems as faced at Fukushima #1. And, given that, how does that compare to the CONTINUOUS reality of emissions from oil and coal powered electrical plants on a 24/7/365 basis?" End QUOTE

    I have never supported oil, coal, natural gas, nor Megawatt windmills. I don't now. Alternatives and renewables are the answer. It is the Centralized Distribution Network that is the fly in the ointment. This worked wonderfully until we realized the future costs. It is past time for change. Power must be made in-house. Eliminate the multiplying inefficiencies of the Centralized Distribution Network that is the reason we have nukes in the first place. It is actually Centralized Collection of Monies and the raison d'etra. In-home solar. In-home windmill. In-home electric generator with collection of waste heat. Installation makes jobs. Repair makes jobs. Energy and dollar savings are likely spent in the local marketplace, making more jobs. We exported our manufacturing base so we have to restart somewhere. What better place than to make jobs by actually solving problems. You sock puppet is being paid by the Corporate hand to not do this. So what would we change?
    A building properly designed and built relative to its location/climate needs about half the energy of existing buildings.
    That means we need about half the power plants, or solar/wind, etc.
    You might already know about Archtiecture 2030, if not look it up. You'll like it. Edward Mazria wrote the best passive solar book there is, 32 years ago. IF we had been building like he says we should build for the last 32 years, we wouldn't need a large percentage of the plants we have NOW...

    That said, there is no good reason to eliminate nuclear from the mix. The BWR reactors are no longer being built, new designs are available, and we can always build away from known faults and/or elevations too close to sea level...
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    Re: The People of Vermont vs. Nuclear Power

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    It is not too expensive to get off the grid. It just requires a National effort. The biggest supporter of the grid is governments. Take a look at any utility bill and add up the taxes in the bill. This is free money to governments and if you shut down the grid, the governments no longer get their "vig" as an alternative power group calls it. The gov'ts are addicted to these revenues like mainline heroin and that is the resistance to change, "inertia" that prevents our movement to alternative energy. If you use a gasoline engine generator with an exhaust heat exchanger to make hot water for heating as well as potable uses, energy use is about 1/8th of what is used on the current grid. The existing distribution network is a case of multiplying inefficiencies generating huge amounts of waste heat and that is its major flaw. Solar panels, 3-400 watt windmills, an gasoline electric generator (likely less than 2 horsepower), and batteries (preferably rebuildable), and inverters. These must be in homes insulated like walk-in coolers and have heat exchangers to periodically deal with stale air. 1 watt LED light bulbs. Make your own wind generators with wooden props and DC motors. Does that sound complicated? It is the reality. Make note that the government doesn't collect any tax revenue as you produce your own power. Add up what the gov't would lose and you know why gov't really doesn't get behind this movement. This is just a quick overview but the Alternative Energy people don't own any sock puppets. The big Energy people own lots of sock puppets.
    Have you seen pictures of "decentralized" grids? Visual pollution is an ugly thing..
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    Re: The People of Vermont vs. Nuclear Power

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Interesting statement... can we have a cite, or will "Deuce says so" be sufficient?
    It may be an exaggeration, you can research it if you like, but as a former nuke operator myself, it is true.
    Coal is not pure, it contains lots of radioactive components in small quantities, and when the coal gets burned and the waste goes out the stack, the radioactive stuff goes out as well, along with sulphur, mercury, etc.
    Clean Coal does NOT exist....cleaner burning coal fired plants, yes, but there is no such thing as CLEAN when coal is the source, only a bit cleanER...
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    Re: The People of Vermont vs. Nuclear Power

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Have you seen pictures of "decentralized" grids? Visual pollution is an ugly thing..
    Global Warming must be a pretty thing, don't you think? I can stand lots of visual pollution and would just as soon live in the real world and get rid of all the imagery. Actually, a decentralized grid uses 1/8th the current energy when all factors are considered. 87% of current fossil fuels are dissipated as waste heat. Yessir, I must be naive not to want to live in a pretty space that is likely fatal to the inhabitants, long term.

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    Re: The People of Vermont vs. Nuclear Power

    Lots of energy goes up into heat energy. It's part of thermodynamics; can't get away from it. As for nuclear energy, it is currently one of the cleanest, safest forms of energy we have. I don't see the real need to be obstructionist towards it. We can do a lot of things to make our energy transportation well more efficient and lower energy lost to various forms of unnecessary work. We shouldn't stagnate on nuclear energy, but we shouldn't be afraid of it.
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    Re: The People of Vermont vs. Nuclear Power

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Global Warming must be a pretty thing, don't you think? I can stand lots of visual pollution and would just as soon live in the real world and get rid of all the imagery. Actually, a decentralized grid uses 1/8th the current energy when all factors are considered. 87% of current fossil fuels are dissipated as waste heat. Yessir, I must be naive not to want to live in a pretty space that is likely fatal to the inhabitants, long term.
    got people dropping like flies up there?
    the best way to decentralize is smaller nukes and more of them....lots of them.....
    Coal kills...wind and solar cells are supplements dependent on the weather.....going off grid has a very long payback.....
    Guess what is easy, takes no new technology, and doesn't cost much?......conservation, better construction methods, energy reducing building codes....
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    Re: The People of Vermont vs. Nuclear Power

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Lots of energy goes up into heat energy. It's part of thermodynamics; can't get away from it. As for nuclear energy, it is currently one of the cleanest, safest forms of energy we have. I don't see the real need to be obstructionist towards it. We can do a lot of things to make our energy transportation well more efficient and lower energy lost to various forms of unnecessary work. We shouldn't stagnate on nuclear energy, but we shouldn't be afraid of it.
    yeah, if we stopped doing things based on kill rate, cars would be the first to go, then smoking, etc.
    Something will kill us sooner or later, if not old age then bad habits....sucks to die from nothing...
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    Re: The People of Vermont vs. Nuclear Power

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Vermonters Exercise Their Nuclear Option -- In These Times

    How is it possible that the Nuke power companies and Nuclear Regulator agencies could cause citizens to be stuck with a metaphorical radioactive time bomb. Is this more sock puppets and Corporatism? Is this struggle an example of the citizens loss of power in this Nation. Perhaps we are a Corporatocracy?



    Cool, you all have no nuke power, make sure you only get your electricity then from non nuke feeds.


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    Re: The People of Vermont vs. Nuclear Power

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    yeah, if we stopped doing things based on kill rate, cars would be the first to go, then smoking, etc.
    Something will kill us sooner or later, if not old age then bad habits....sucks to die from nothing...
    Yeah, and people can be rather unreasonable when it comes to "radiation". People will freak out and not understand the overall probabilities. Nuclear power is one of the safest and cleanest forms of energy we currently have. We shouldn't be afraid of it and it can be very useful as we continue to investigate and develope other energy sources.
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    Re: The People of Vermont vs. Nuclear Power

    [QUOTE=UtahBill;Speaking in absolutes is for absolute idiots.

    Education is expensive, ignorance is costly.

    Each generation should have more opportunities than the last, but not at the expense of the next.QUOTE]

    Hypocrisy is cheap, eh?

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