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    Re: Shock employment figures: Fewer than 46% of Americans have jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Agreed. I've actually heard of people arguing for "means testing" (I think that was what it was called) for SS. If that means what it sounds like, that's crap.
    I agree. However, most people will get back way more in SS then they paid in. What if the wealthy people were just given a one time lump sum of everything they actually paid to SS?
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    Re: Shock employment figures: Fewer than 46% of Americans have jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    I think that the statistic that most economists use is something called the participatin rate. That is the nmber of working age that are either employed or seeking employment that number is usally about 64%. That number has come down just a bit, still in the 60s.

    What is interesting when people look at the labor statistics is that the labor force has not grown in about three years. Most usual. On average about 125K workers enter the labor force each month. So a bif question is where are those 4 or 5 million people. Probably a large part are in th discouraged worker numbers. You probaby have heard about the U6 statistic when measuring unemployment, many feel it is a better reflection of the real number. U6 counts unemployed which he country counts as peole getting unemployment benefits, then there are people whse unemployment has run out, the fovernment calls these people discouraged workers, then we have part timers that have indicated that would be willing to work full time.
    An interesting topic for thi site might be the number of uneployed youth in America. A lot of the unrest in the ME has come from disenchanted youth ad high unemployment in nations such as Egypt. I wonder when facebook will do its magic here in the states and have youth start voicing their outrage at what how they are being left behind by bth parties.

    Makes e think back to my youth in the 60s, when we did take to the streets to rail against what was happening in the south and those old guys in congress sending kids to be killed in Vietnam, for what? I guess I got a bit off target sorry.
    How does youth rioting in the streets because they don't have jobs, create jobs for them? Perhaps they should try being a bit more creative.
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    Re: Shock employment figures: Fewer than 46% of Americans have jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Well, theoretically, the older folks are just getting out of Social Security what they already paid into it, right? So the problems not retirees so much as it is younger people who aren't working and aren't paying taxes (and, in fact, are supported by taxes).
    No, theoretically older folks are getting much more out of Social Security than what they paid in. Back in 1983, they made the system solvent for a minimum of 50 years by increasing the payroll tax to cover the boomer generation. The boomers than took that surplus tax, which was supposed to be invested, and spent it on themselves. They now don't have enough money for the benefits they want and are pissed that the younger generation doesn't want to pay for their irresponsibility.

    The only thing that's "unfair" is that many of them didn't understand this was going on. The question now is whether they should be responsible for being naive, or whether their children and grandchildren should be responsible for their being naive.

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    Re: Shock employment figures: Fewer than 46% of Americans have jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I agree. However, most people will get back way more in SS then they paid in. What if the wealthy people were just given a one time lump sum of everything they actually paid to SS?
    Not a bad idea, but I don't think that should just apply to wealthy people.
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    Re: Shock employment figures: Fewer than 46% of Americans have jobs

    "the Social Security Administration claims that nearly 30% of working Americans become disabled before reaching their normal retirement age. In this article, we are going to explain some of the disability benefits under the Social Security program. We also have a separate publication that talks about the benefits of purchasing supplementary disability insurance."

    Social Security Disability Insurance


    Mental Health is a cause of 15% of recipients for SSI Disability.


    Musculo Skelatal disabilities are about 50% of SSI Disability.

    Access to Disability Data: Chartbook on Mental Health


    Factors affecting Employability, Transportation, Dependent obilgations, Education, Specialized Employment skill Training:

    http://www.dhs.state.mn.us/main/idcp...e=dhs16_146291



    How much of SSI Disability payments are preventable? How can the number or disabled people, elibable for SSI Disablity, be reduced? How can the Mental and Physical health of people entering work age, become more employable, and less disabled? How can those non-dsabled workers who are not disabled when young, be kept employable, until retirement age?


    It seems that improved utilization of all-option Family Planning could help to reduce the number of individuals applying for SSI Disablity. Defunding Planned parenthood seems likely to increase applications for SSI Disability.




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    Re: Shock employment figures: Fewer than 46% of Americans have jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Not a bad idea, but I don't think that should just apply to wealthy people.
    I didn't want the left to get all up in arms

    Seriously, we wouldn't want to give just anyone a lump sum of only what they paid in. They are depending on a monthy check for the rest of their lives. That should be a promise kept to those already retired and those close to retirement age.
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    Re: Shock employment figures: Fewer than 46% of Americans have jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
    "the Social Security Administration claims that nearly 30% of working Americans become disabled before reaching their normal retirement age. In this article, we are going to explain some of the disability benefits under the Social Security program. We also have a separate publication that talks about the benefits of purchasing supplementary disability insurance."

    Social Security Disability Insurance


    Mental Health is a cause of 15% of recipients for SSI Disability.


    Musculo Skelatal disabilities are about 50% of SSI Disability.

    Access to Disability Data: Chartbook on Mental Health


    Factors affecting Employability, Transportation, Dependent obilgations, Education, Specialized Employment skill Training:

    http://www.dhs.state.mn.us/main/idcp...e=dhs16_146291



    How much of SSI Disability payments are preventable? How can the number or disabled people, elibable for SSI Disablity, be reduced? How can the Mental and Physical health of people entering work age, become more employable, and less disabled? How can those non-dsabled workers who are not disabled when young, be kept employable, until retirement age?


    It seems that improved utilization of all-option Family Planning could help to reduce the number of individuals applying for SSI Disablity. Defunding Planned parenthood seems likely to increase applications for SSI Disability.

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    Re: Shock employment figures: Fewer than 46% of Americans have jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I didn't want the left to get all up in arms

    Seriously, we wouldn't want to give just anyone a lump sum of only what they paid in. They are depending on a monthy check for the rest of their lives. That should be a promise kept to those already retired and those close to retirement age.
    But, I bet many would opt for that lump sum payment if given the option, and manage that money much better than the federal government.
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    Re: Shock employment figures: Fewer than 46% of Americans have jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    How does youth rioting in the streets because they don't have jobs, create jobs for them? Perhaps they should try being a bit more creative.
    I did not mean the comment to be taken so iterally. But take to the streets is essentially what the unions did in Wisc. Like it or not, they achieved a lot by doing that. I grew up with the slogan "Power to the people" and while after a few decades of watching politics think this is a bot less true than we may think here in the states.

    saying that if there were millions of people in the streets of our inner cities demanding for example better training, breaking up the good old boy system in the trade unions, so that those decent jobs could be had by anyone qualified, instead of a stimulus that padded the pockets of rich construction companies, do what Roosevelt did and provide all sorts of jobs to the poor. Clean up our cities, build bridges and infrastructure we really need with workers who are not politically connected etc.

    Boy this post made me feel like I was back in college and thought we could help create a better world for all.

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    Re: Shock employment figures: Fewer than 46% of Americans have jobs

    Americans need more jobs and the private sector isn't providing them to us.

    How I see it, is we have a few different options for solving this problem:

    1. Put regulations in place forcing the private sector to create more jobs. This sounds silly, but could potentially be viable, with something like CEO pay limitations. Typically whenever there is a profit in a large company these days they do not use it to expand the company, but instead just stuff it into the pockets of the few at the top.

    2. Create more Public Sector jobs. It could be Obama's New Deal.

    3. De-Regulate everything and hope complete free-market capitalism will work, just this one time.
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