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    Re: What do you make of Qaddaffi's own words?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    OK. Now that we have discovered, eureka, that it is all the politicians that are curdling the hollandaise, how do we get rid of "all of them?" I'm voting Green Party and I don't care if their candidate is a flamin' homo, muslim, butt sniffin', red skinned, hermaphrodite on methadone. At least it would be a big improvement.
    Or you could provide some evidence that MomoQ is being candid and truthful since that is ostensibly the subject of this thread.
    Oddly enough, some people are not willing to take him at his word. ymmv
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: What do you make of Qaddaffi's own words?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Or you could provide some evidence that MomoQ is being candid and truthful since that is ostensibly the subject of this thread.
    Oddly enough, some people are not willing to take him at his word. ymmv
    I have supplied evidence that his detractors have not been truthful. "We gonna save lots of civilian lives by killing more civilians with bombs and missiles." "It's not about OIL." "The DU is harmless." The rebels have Corporations, but they're certainly don't represent anything Corporate. Qaddaffi is no good because he is teaching Africans to use their natural resource money for social progarams. He's just like Chavez and he might be next. Don't stand under big bubbles when they pop.

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    Re: What do you make of Qaddaffi's own words?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I have supplied evidence that his detractors have not been truthful.
    AFAICT, this is something other than vidence that MomoQ is being candid and truthful, because, in theory at least, it's possible that more than one person or group of people can be dissembling at the same time.
    Now, if you can show me that only one person or group of people can be lying at a time, then it would be sufficient to show that someone else was lying because it would necessarily mean the other person was telling the truth.
    But for the moment, until we can get the evidence that only one person can be lying at a time, I am going to assume that it's possible for two or more people to be dissembling concurrently.
    I am not sure if I explained well enough evidence that MomoQ was being candid is something different than showing someone else is lying, but I hope so.

    I feel certain that it is at least theoretically possible for more than one entity to state falsehoods at the same time.
    But, I am open to evidence to the contrary.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: What do you make of Qaddaffi's own words?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    AFAICT, this is something other than vidence that MomoQ is being candid and truthful, because, in theory at least, it's possible that more than one person or group of people can be dissembling at the same time.
    Now, if you can show me that only one person or group of people can be lying at a time, then it would be sufficient to show that someone else was lying because it would necessarily mean the other person was telling the truth.
    But for the moment, until we can get the evidence that only one person can be lying at a time, I am going to assume that it's possible for two or more people to be dissembling concurrently.
    I am not sure if I explained well enough evidence that MomoQ was being candid is something different than showing someone else is lying, but I hope so.

    I feel certain that it is at least theoretically possible for more than one entity to state falsehoods at the same time.
    But, I am open to evidence to the contrary.
    It is a matter of public record that Qaddaffi has instigated the social programs he brags about. He has also sponsored with money efforts to lead similar programs in other African Nations. Reagan did bomb his tent and kill his adopted daughter. Qaddaffi was the lead informer in revealing the A. Q. Khan black market nuclear network. Qaddaffi did state in year 2009 conferences that African nations should nationalize their resources and use the money for the people of those countries.. He has been bombed by the winner of a Nobel Peace prize which might imply some minor hypocricies. He has had depleted uranium spread around his country by a winner of a Nobel Peace prize. His enemies seem to be "Corporate" and Libya's asset is OIL, OIL and OIL. If one would desire to occupy a naive neverland, then believing that civilians are being saved by killing civilians seems like a wonderful place to start. There is a lot of fantasy surrounding Mu' ummar Qaddaffi, including how to spell his name, and one would be well advised to ferret news on Libya carefully from the Internet because the mainstream news is suffering from an excess of creativity, obfuscation and outright distortion. Deducing from your post, the creativity, obfuscation and distortion are working.

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    Re: What do you make of Qaddaffi's own words?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Link to pravda.ru
    Gaddafi Unplugged and Uncensored


    Translated by Professor Sam Hamod, Ph.D.

    Recollections of My Life: Col. Mu'ummar Qaddafi, The Leader of the Revolution. April 5, 2011.

     

    In the name of Allah, the beneficent, the merciful...

    For 40 years, or was it longer, I can't remember, I did all I could to give people houses, hospitals, schools, and when they were hungry, I gave them food. I even made Benghazi into farmland from the desert, I stood up to attacks from that cowboy Reagan, when he killed my adopted orphaned daughter, he was trying to kill me, instead he killed that poor innocent child. Then I helped my brothers and sisters from Africa with money for the African Union.

    I did all I could to help people understand the concept of real democracy, where people's committees ran our country. But that was never enough, as some told me, even people who had 10 room homes, new suits and furniture, were never satisfied, as selfish as they were they wanted more. They told Americans and other visitors, that they needed "democracy" and "freedom" never realizing it was a cut throat system, where the biggest dog eats the rest, but they were enchanted with those words, never realizing that in America, there was no free medicine, no free hospitals, no free housing, no free education and no free food, except when people had to beg or go to long lines to get soup.


    No wonder they need him out of there. He is unCorporate, unselfish, and what a poor example for business oriented Nations. Free food, free education, free housing, and just too much free stuff apparently. No wonder somebody wants to get rid of him. Just tell me who is that somebody?
    pravada?

    People still quoting from that right wing place?
    Alex Carey:

    ... the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.

    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Re: What do you make of Qaddaffi's own words?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    pravada?

    People still quoting from that right wing place?
    Like gold, "the truth is where you find it." Did you think the New York Times was going to give space to a pro-Qaddaffi story and lose many high paying Corporate advertisers? Hot damn mon, it's like when BP did the $75 million advertising campaign during the big Gulf spill. You get the advertising money if you've been writing nice things about BP, otherwise plant a big lip lock on the big brown spot.

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    Re: What do you make of Qaddaffi's own words?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The USA admitted to having CIA in Libya. Who do you think works for US Corporations overseas. That is in the CIA Charter. This is a tidy little Corporate war, or they'd like a tidy little war, but that no-gooder giving away food, education, housing and healthcare is trying to screw the deal. Those skinny assed white crack sniffers will be straightening his aura going forward. Excuse the buzzword, but I thought you might be corporate. Good yoke on Crude.
    If it were so simple we could prove it in court tomorrow. . Not saying your wrong, but these two rope ends can't be tied together in any easy way. The incontrovertible proof is likely a national secret or something ya kno?

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    Re: What do you make of Qaddaffi's own words?

    Pravda's a hoot.

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    Re: What do you make of Qaddaffi's own words?

    Duffy used to interrupt kids cartoons in the morning so he could transmit the hangings performed on the Green Square, with some of his thugs tugging on the legs of the executed. That alone tells you what kind of a scum the guy is. He ran a lawless country in which him and his family were the law and the owners of everything. Ending the rule of that scum will be acknowledged by the people of Libya in the annals of history of that country with gratefullness

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    Re: What do you make of Qaddaffi's own words?

    Quote Originally Posted by shablon View Post
    Duffy used to interrupt kids cartoons in the morning so he could transmit the hangings performed on the Green Square, with some of his thugs tugging on the legs of the executed. That alone tells you what kind of a scum the guy is. He ran a lawless country in which him and his family were the law and the owners of everything. Ending the rule of that scum will be acknowledged by the people of Libya in the annals of history of that country with gratefullness
    Ya' just gotta send me the link for that. Sounds like a fun read. How are things at the Institution? Are they giving you crayons again? Nice to have keyboard privileges. Keep in touch.

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