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    Re: Libya: Nato must do more, say France and UK

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    France and Britain can't escalate their operations so as to put another 10 sorties in the air, a day?

    That confirms that if there was a real war, France and Britain would be the last ones we could count to help fight it.

    This is why it is so important that the United States maintain such a strong military.
    Its' why the United States has to get out of NATO. Just in case anybody missed it, the Soviet Union died twenty years ago.

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    Re: Libya: Nato must do more, say France and UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Its' why the United States has to get out of NATO. Just in case anybody missed it, the Soviet Union died twenty years ago.
    In case anyone hasn't noticed, there are antagonists that have replaced the Soviet Union.

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    Re: Libya: Nato must do more, say France and UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The statement was made at a European Ministers meeting for a reason. Britain and France are seeking extra support for a further 10 missions per day from their European NATO allies. They are aware that the Americantards are unwilling, which will make President Obama politically reluctant to do so.
    Right, because it's such a wonderful idea to intervene in someone else's civil war when you have absolutely no idea who the rebels actually are. It's such a wonderful idea to intervene on "humanitarian" grounds with the goal of prolonging and encouraging a civil war. It's such a wonderful idea to try to depose a dictator who hasn't done **** to the West since at least 2003. And it'll be a breeze! How is that working out so far?
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    Re: Libya: Nato must do more, say France and UK

    It’s obviously a pre-planned plot. The rebels even don’t have a formal government. First thing of all is to form an oil company so they can deal. That's what caused the war.


    quote, "Libyan Rebel Council Forms Oil Company to Replace Qaddafi’s
    By Bill Varner - Mar 22, 2011

    Libyan rebels in Benghazi said they have created a new national oil company to replace the corporation controlled by leader Muammar Qaddafi whose assets were frozen by the United Nations Security Council.

    The Transitional National Council released a statement announcing the decision made at a March 19 meeting to establish the “Libyan Oil Company as supervisory authority on oil production and policies in the country, based temporarily in Benghazi, and the appointment of an interim director general” of the company.

    Libyan Rebel Council Forms Oil Company to Replace Qaddafi

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    Re: Libya: Nato must do more, say France and UK

    Do you think those rebel are bankers, or oil industry CEO? Or rather, a puppet group work for the CIA. Is that easy to establish a Central Bank, selling oil? Where do those experts, capitals come from? Or it is just all planed in advance?

    “Libyan Rebels” Create Central Bank, Oil Company
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    As analysts debate possible motives behind President Obama’s United Nations-backed military intervention in Libya, one angle that has received attention in recent days is the rebels’ seemingly odd decision to establish a new central bank to replace dictator Muammar Gadhafi's state-owned monetary authority — possibly the first time in history that revolutionaries have taken time out from an ongoing life-and-death battle to create such an institution, according to observers.

    In a statement released last week, the rebels reported on the results of a meeting held on March 19. Among other things, the supposed rag-tag revolutionaries announced the “[d]esignation of the Central Bank of Benghazi as a monetary authority competent in monetary policies in Libya and appointment of a Governor to the Central Bank of Libya, with a temporary headquarters in Benghazi.”

    The Gadhafi regime’s central bank — unlike the U.S. Federal Reserve, which is owned by private shareholders — was among the few central banks in the world that was entirely state-owned. At the moment, it is unclear exactly who owns the rebel’s central bank or how it will be governed.

    The so-called Interim Transitional National Council, the rebels’ self-appointed new government for Libya purporting to be the “sole legitimate representative of Libyan People,” also trumpeted the creation of a new “Libyan Oil Company” based in the rebel stronghold city of Benghazi. The North African nation, of course, has the continent’s largest proven oil reserves.

    The U.S. government and the U.N. have both recently announced that the rebels would be free to sell oil under their control — if they do it without Gaddafi’s National Oil Corporation. And the first shipments are set to start next week, according to news reports citing a spokesman for the rebels.

    But the creation of a new central bank, even more so than the new national oil regime, left analysts scratching their heads. “I have never before heard of a central bank being created in just a matter of weeks out of a popular uprising,” noted Robert Wenzel in an analysis for the Economic Policy Journal. “This suggests we have a bit more than a rag tag bunch of rebels running around and that there are some pretty sophisticated influences.”



    Global Research, April 14, 2011
    “Libyan Rebels” Create Central Bank, Oil Company

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    Re: Libya: Nato must do more, say France and UK

    They bring war to Libya, because it breaks up their propaganda? How could people of backward country under a dictator live a better life than “democratic Western”? Or just for its oil?

    Life in Libya:

    • GDP per capita - $ 14,192.
    • for each family member in the state pays $ 1,000 a year subsidy.
    • Unemployment - 730 $.
    • Salary Nurse - $ 1,000.
    • For every newborn is paid $ 7,000.
    • Suite as a gift $ 64,000 to buy an apartment.
    • The discovery of personal business one-time financial assistance - $ 20,000.
    • Major taxes and levies prohibited.
    Education and medicine are free.
    • Education and Internships abroad - at government expense.
    • Chain stores for large families with symbolic prices of basic foodstuffs.
    • For the sale of products past their expiry date - large fines and detention units spetspolitsii.
    • Some pharmacies - with free dispensing.
    • counterfeiting of medicines - the death penalty.
    • rents - is absent.
    • Pay for electricity for the population is missing.
    • Sales and use of alcohol is prohibited - "prohibition".
    • Loans for buying a car and an apartment - no interest.
    • Real estate services are prohibited.
    • Buying a car up to 50% paid by the state militia fighters - 65%.
    Gasoline is cheaper than water. 1 liter of gasoline - $ 0.14.

    Living in Libya under Gaddafi - Political Forum

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    Re: Libya: Nato must do more, say France and UK

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    In case anyone hasn't noticed, there are antagonists that have replaced the Soviet Union.
    I'm not sure there are any antagonist that actually pose the same threat that the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact posed.

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    Re: Libya: Nato must do more, say France and UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluespade View Post
    I'm not sure there are any antagonist that actually pose the same threat that the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact posed.
    Anybody with nukes.
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    Re: Libya: Nato must do more, say France and UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The statement was made at a European Ministers meeting for a reason. Britain and France are seeking extra support for a further 10 missions per day from their European NATO allies. They are aware that the Americantards are unwilling, which will make President Obama politically reluctant to do so.
    Well, the "Americantards" are currently doing most of the work to include the actual intel and leadership behind the scenes. I believe 90 percent of the military action has been conducted by nations outside of the European sloth zone. Perhaps the "Americantards" are fed up with Europeans sitting at our table without earning the privilege. After sitting out the Cold War to defend western Europe, doing nothing during the "Coalition" that was the Gulf War, ignoring genocide in the Balkans (where World War I began), and doing the bare minimum in Afghanistan, perhaps it is time that Europeans stood up and discovered their balls.

    Why don't we go ahead and throw in the hundreds of thousands of tortured in Tunisia by the French, the disgusting moral support offerred to the Tunisian dictator in December, and force France to finance and muscle their own efforts in their former colonies. Because Americans are fed up cleaning up the European colonial messes left in their wakes. Libya is yet another coloinial mess Europeans expect Americans to get dirty in for them.

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    Re: Libya: Nato must do more, say France and UK

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I think NATO and other countries should honestly just stay out of other peoples civil wars....
    Even when a 42 year dictator is bombing his own people, specifically targetting civilians, with the country's Air Force?

    You think the world should just stand aside and let that happen? It's as if there is no point at which the slaughter becomes so horrific that your own humanity demands you act. You could stand aside and watch anything, huh. In the name of sovereignty?

    It's amazing how some people can become a fanatic nationalist (supporting sovereignty at all cost) when it serves their actual worldview. What happened to the global community, Socialist? What are you, some kind of socialist who is pro-decentralization? How does that work? You want to give most of our income to help poor people, but not when those poor people are being bombed by their decades-long dictator on the other side of the world? Then you suddenly think that poor people can take care of themselves. How convenient. I wonder why.
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