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    Taxpayer Calculator: Education Spending in Obama's 2012 Budget

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    by William LaJeunesse | April 11, 2011

    By most measures, America's education system ranks among the best. Our classrooms, computer labs, athletic fields and 'enrichment programs' for under-achieving and special education students are the envy of the world.
    In fact, the U.S. spends more on education than defense. [Don't forget state spending] On a per pupil basis, we rank only behind Switzerland and Norway.
    And that's not likely to change under President Obama. His 2012 budget increases federal education spending by 21 percent to $77 billion dollars.
    Yet critics say that's a mistake, since there is no link between spending and student performance.
    "There really is no correlation between spending per pupil and achievement per pupil," argues Neal McClusky with the Cato Institute Center for Educational Freedom. "Both parties have done this for many decades - they talk about spending money on schools as if that is synonymous with actually educating people but it isn't. What we've seen that money go to is just bigger and bigger staff, better paid teachers or other employees but nothing in terms of outcomes."
    Since 1985, federal education spending tripled, yet studies by the National Assessment of Educational Progress show reading, math and science scores remained flat. Internationally, our 8th graders rank 14th in reading, 17th in science and 25th in math. Almost 30 percent of our teenagers don't finish high school, according to the National Center for Education Statistics, and half who enter college drop out, even though per pupil spending nationally averages more than $10,000 a year. America has fallen to 9th in the proportion of young people with a college degree.
    So what 's the money being spent on? Why aren't our children benefiting from the spending? Could it be outside entitiies influencing our education system? How about what is being taught to our kids? Maybe it's worthless in the real world. How about the school book publishers, are they getting fat?
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    Re: Taxpayer Calculator: Education Spending in Obama's 2012 Budget

    Disclaimer: This is merely the uneducated opinion of someone that doesnt really know the answer Having said that I believe a large part of our students under performance is the political agendas that have been included in educational curriculums. Instead of just "TEACHING" they are indoctrinating. We need political correctness out of the classroom and just get back to teaching what kids need to be successful.

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    Re: Taxpayer Calculator: Education Spending in Obama's 2012 Budget

    wait, so we're seeing ever increasing costs combined with flatlining or slipping results?

    is there a public-sector union involved in this somewhere?

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    Well I was trying to stay clear of the union part, because I know the libs would come in here and discuss nothing but the unions, because liberals will protect them even if we're last in the world of education. Liberal are into education solely for the money.
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    Re: Taxpayer Calculator: Education Spending in Obama's 2012 Budget

    And what exactly is the measurement stick to determine the success of the various tens of thousands of American educational systems?
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    Re: Taxpayer Calculator: Education Spending in Obama's 2012 Budget

    More nonsense. Frankly, education is as bad as some like to say. And second, while money is not the solution to every problem, it is certainly not an area to short change too much. If you really want children to be educated, you might look at holding them responsible as well. Not to mention their parents. In a country where being educated and smart is frowned up on too readily, we need a major socialital change, and not more demonizing of teachers and education.

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    Re: Taxpayer Calculator: Education Spending in Obama's 2012 Budget

    To me, education has become a breeding ground for the mundane.

    There should only be several areas to teach from grades K through 4. 2 hours on reading, 2 hours on writing, 2 hours on arithmetic, and an hour of scientific method, and logic. This ALL kids need to meet the demands of education. From grades 5 through 8, they should have a firm grasp on reading, writing and arithmetic, and you can scale it back, and increase teaching the scientific method, with advanced training on logic. Grades 9 through 12 should offer specialization in areas kids (By this time) want to pursue into college, with civics, and economics being mandatory. Kids need to learn about credit, and money, plains and simple, and they need to learn about our political process. Throw in some basic sex education, keep up with advanced reading, writing, and arithmetic. Instead of teaching things like history, or geography separately, most of these things can be incorporated into curriculum designed around advanced reading and writing courses.

    There's too much going on, and kids are finding it harder and harder to retain what they're learning, and lose interest.

    Education should be a simple process, and at ages where appropriate, it should ask children to choose what they want to do, and offer specialized ways to get there. We need to start trusting our kids by listening to what they are telling us!

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    Re: Taxpayer Calculator: Education Spending in Obama's 2012 Budget

    There is no link between increased spending and increased scores among students of public schools, or probably private schools although I'm not sure, quite an interesting graph.

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    Re: Taxpayer Calculator: Education Spending in Obama's 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    There is no link between increased spending and increased scores among students of public schools, or probably private schools although I'm not sure, quite an interesting graph.

    That's because the money isn't being spent on ways to improve their education, it's going to things like buses, school lunches, unions, equipment, administration, "special" education programs that schools try desperately to fit your child into (Means more money), some new books, pencils, erasers, glue.. All of which does nothing to improve the curriculum, quality of teachers, or basic understanding that education isn't rocket science. Teach them to read, write, and do math, and the thinking for themselves part will follow naturally. Maybe they don't want them to think for themselves, as a cursory glance at the curriculums of most publics schools is riddled with things kids never need to be taught. If they know how to read, and if they catch the bug for reading writing, and math, they will figure out exactly what it is they want to do all on their own. Once they get the high-school we should ask them what they want to do, and gear curriculums around specializing in several fields of education.

    Think about it. rather than have schools that "do it all", we have schools that specialize in fields of education. Think about the quality of the college education when the child is coming in completely prepared!

    We approach education in this country very poorly in my opinion. It doesn't mesh with the real world!


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    Re: Taxpayer Calculator: Education Spending in Obama's 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And what exactly is the measurement stick to determine the success of the various tens of thousands of American educational systems?

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