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    Re: Taxpayer Calculator: Education Spending in Obama's 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I'll go one step further to add that these communities probably attract the best teachers, too. Seems like a positive feedback loop, especially when you consider the effect on property values, increased tax revenue, etc.

    (This of course has long been an issue in the "fairness" debate, leading to busing policies that in turn probably helped to promote white flight.)
    I totally agree with your teacher comment. As to the fairness debate, you might find this interesting. We now have 5 elementary schools in our town. One schoolcoes the best and last year was school of the year in the state. Within the area that kids can go to this school is a large multifamily complex. I think it is the only one in town. I know for a fact that people have moved into that complex so that their kids can go to this school. Property taxes in that part of toen have also risen. We have heard first hand that asian families who come over on a job assignment have been told to get an apartment so their kids can get into that school. The funding is the same in each town school. But the one I mentioned has a great principle and highly motivated teachers.

    So more money is not the end all be all.

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    Re: Taxpayer Calculator: Education Spending in Obama's 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I agree with much of what you say. I will point out that knowing many a teacher in parochialschools, it is the difference in student population that attracts some. It is much easier to deal with a select population that has solid parental support.

    And while I do agree there is a serious local element to the issue, the entire nation has interest in a good education for everyone. The rub is how to do that. We can't really effectively legislate parents into being attentive, caring, and involved.
    I think that is where getting the federal government involved is a mistake. It may have made sense in the 60s when kids in the segregated south definitely were not getting a proper for education. Now with a deverse population of 300 plus million I truely believe that federla funding is misguided.

    I say that even though i am fine paying plenty of town taxes that goes for our schools even though i don't have any kids still in the system.

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    Re: Taxpayer Calculator: Education Spending in Obama's 2012 Budget

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    I think that is where getting the federal government involved is a mistake. It may have made sense in the 60s when kids in the segregated south definitely were not getting a proper for education. Now with a deverse population of 300 plus million I truely believe that federla funding is misguided.

    I say that even though i am fine paying plenty of town taxes that goes for our schools even though i don't have any kids still in the system.
    Have you ever been to Holly Springs Mississippi? You should check out the public school there. There's little effort by the community to improve the school. I can't beleive that is the only local school facing such a problem.

    I also remember many years ago the argument was do get more government involvement because there was such a difference between local schools. Money in some areas and not in others, and such disparity that there was a demand that something be done. Not sure how much would be available to inform of those times today. So, while I like the idea of local control, I'm not sure we wouldn't return to the problems that led us to have more federal involvement.

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    Re: Taxpayer Calculator: Education Spending in Obama's 2012 Budget

    I believe the education figures include money for facilities as a component. The USA has built new schools, track and field facilities, football fields, tennis courts, baseball fields, lighting sytems, showpiece buildings and includes these costs as educational costs. It is very profitable for contractors and their union employees. Then the state aided bills must be paid. Then taxes increase and you have to lay off teachers because you can't lay off buildings and sports facilities, etc. ADHD kids get special education when they should get a whack on the ass. Teachers get tenure and can't be fired. The one room schoolhouse worked and it has been downhill ever since.

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    Re: Taxpayer Calculator: Education Spending in Obama's 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Have you ever been to Holly Springs Mississippi? You should check out the public school there. There's little effort by the community to improve the school. I can't beleive that is the only local school facing such a problem.

    I also remember many years ago the argument was do get more government involvement because there was such a difference between local schools. Money in some areas and not in others, and such disparity that there was a demand that something be done. Not sure how much would be available to inform of those times today. So, while I like the idea of local control, I'm not sure we wouldn't return to the problems that led us to have more federal involvement.
    I think we are talking about trading one problem for another. Does anyone believe that the federal government is honing on some towns such as the one you mention and sending monet there. To the best on my knowledge most of the money goes to states not town. So let's think of this. The government collects taxes ( make believe we are not in a deficit) some if this money goes to some huge bureaucracy that siphons off some of the money to pay for itself. Then these people are bombarded by lobbyists who push whatever, then we have 535 members on congree making sure their state gets their fair share. Then the money goes to the states based on g-d knows what. The states then spread it around. Do you really think that is an efficient way to get mney where it is needed.

    This is a tough problem, I do not to even have a guess at the answer. But common sense tells me that more money spewing from washington may make people feel good but will not materially help the kids who need it.

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