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    Re: Taxpayer Calculator: Education Spending in Obama's 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    There is no link between increased spending and increased scores among students of public schools, or probably private schools although I'm not sure, quite an interesting graph.
    Data is spotty, but it seems much of the increase in spending has gone to teachers and special education programs. Teachers make more money, work fewer hours, and handle fewer students than they used to. They also pass on their skyrocketing health care costs to taxpayers. Investment in the special ed has grown substantially with specialized teachers, equipment, and programs designed to meet the needs of a small but growing group of students that have been diagnosed with special needs.

    Special needs spending does little to improve the average student's test scores, but proponents could argue that investment in such programs may benefit in the long run via increased productivity and reduced government dependence (never seen data on this).

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    Re: Taxpayer Calculator: Education Spending in Obama's 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    There is no link between increased spending and increased scores among students of public schools, or probably private schools although I'm not sure, quite an interesting graph.

    I can go a step further and suggest that expenses are inverse to student outcomes.

    Look at private vs public schools on any level.

    Teacher salary:
    Public School: $49,630
    Private School: $39,690

    CATHOLIC SCHOOL STUDENT-TEACHER RATIO: 14.7:1
    PUBLIC SCHOOL STUDENT-TEACHER RATIO: 15.7:1


    AVERAGE DISTRICT PUBLIC SCHOOL PER PUPIL EXPENDITURE: $12,018
    AVERAGE PRIVATE SCHOOL TUITION: $8,549
    AVERAGE CATHOLIC SCHOOL TUITION: $6,018

    Center for Education Reform - K-12 Facts

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    Re: Taxpayer Calculator: Education Spending in Obama's 2012 Budget

    It must again be noted that private schools can be selective, and do not deal with the general population. We should not try and suggest spending is the only issue.

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    Re: Taxpayer Calculator: Education Spending in Obama's 2012 Budget

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    Well I was trying to stay clear of the union part, because I know the libs would come in here and discuss nothing but the unions, because liberals will protect them even if we're last in the world of education. Liberal are into education solely for the money.
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    Re: Taxpayer Calculator: Education Spending in Obama's 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It must again be noted that private schools can be selective, and do not deal with the general population. We should not try and suggest spending is the only issue.
    You are correct that there are many issues that make up why students learn or not. I also know that how much you pay teachers is not an automatic to better our education. people go into teaching for many reasons. People who teach in parochial schools are probably the worst paid teachers in the U.S. but their students on the whole do well.

    My personal view is parental involvment is very important, having a teacher who truely loves their job and a school principle who can organize a great team.

    My son went to public school until 8th grade and got a great education, very good foundation. So it can be done.

    Something else that is always avoided in all these threads is that education is a LOCAL not federal issue. Parents who care about their childs schooling will move to a town or school district that has the best schools.

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    Re: Taxpayer Calculator: Education Spending in Obama's 2012 Budget

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    So what 's the money being spent on? Why aren't our children benefiting from the spending? Could it be outside entitiies influencing our education system? How about what is being taught to our kids? Maybe it's worthless in the real world. How about the school book publishers, are they getting fat?
    maybe, i hear neil bush has a stake in school books. lol.......

    irony aside, i agree our system should be overhauled.

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    Re: Taxpayer Calculator: Education Spending in Obama's 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Something else that is always avoided in all these threads is that education is a LOCAL not federal issue. Parents who care about their childs schooling will move to a town or school district that has the best schools.
    I'll go one step further to add that these communities probably attract the best teachers, too. Seems like a positive feedback loop, especially when you consider the effect on property values, increased tax revenue, etc.

    (This of course has long been an issue in the "fairness" debate, leading to busing policies that in turn probably helped to promote white flight.)

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    Re: Taxpayer Calculator: Education Spending in Obama's 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    You are correct that there are many issues that make up why students learn or not. I also know that how much you pay teachers is not an automatic to better our education. people go into teaching for many reasons. People who teach in parochial schools are probably the worst paid teachers in the U.S. but their students on the whole do well.

    My personal view is parental involvment is very important, having a teacher who truely loves their job and a school principle who can organize a great team.

    My son went to public school until 8th grade and got a great education, very good foundation. So it can be done.

    Something else that is always avoided in all these threads is that education is a LOCAL not federal issue. Parents who care about their childs schooling will move to a town or school district that has the best schools.
    I agree with much of what you say. I will point out that knowing many a teacher in parochialschools, it is the difference in student population that attracts some. It is much easier to deal with a select population that has solid parental support.

    And while I do agree there is a serious local element to the issue, the entire nation has interest in a good education for everyone. The rub is how to do that. We can't really effectively legislate parents into being attentive, caring, and involved.

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    Re: Taxpayer Calculator: Education Spending in Obama's 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I agree with much of what you say. I will point out that knowing many a teacher in parochialschools, it is the difference in student population that attracts some. It is much easier to deal with a select population that has solid parental support.

    And while I do agree there is a serious local element to the issue, the entire nation has interest in a good education for everyone. The rub is how to do that. We can't really effectively legislate parents into being attentive, caring, and involved.
    way back, 1977, we got out of the navy and moved to a small town near a big town, in Idaho....
    the small town was a farming community, and the farmer mentality was that math beyound arithmetic was not needed....the farmers assumed that all the kids could become farmers, I guess. The supt. was a jock in his youth, his kids were jocks, so the school had a good atheletic program, but a pathetic record at producing college ready students.
    We moved away from there.....
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    Re: Taxpayer Calculator: Education Spending in Obama's 2012 Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    would you teach for free? if not, you might be a liberal....
    I actually do for my university. I tutor for free and give students physics help, even though im just a student myself.

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