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    Re: Union membership down again in 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    so, you are saying that the people of this country are evil, and must be fought?

    given that they are the employers of public workers?
    then you cannot imagine that one or more of those government employees would ever be susceptible to engage in wrong doing
    not even if that public sector employee is a manager

    i had you pegged as someone who was quicker than that
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Union membership down again in 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Hows that different than just about any other lobby in DC or anywhere else for that matter? Its called special interest for a reason. I'm not disagreeing with you, but you are very selective.
    many other lobbying groups don't cost the public money directly or indirectly. few lobbying groups cost us taxpayers money as directly as the public unions. gun rights organizations don't cost you money. neither do gay rights organizations.



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    Re: Union membership down again in 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    many other lobbying groups don't cost the public money directly or indirectly. few lobbying groups cost us taxpayers money as directly as the public unions. gun rights organizations don't cost you money. neither do gay rights organizations.
    many lobbies advocate for policies that will require an increase in funds to certain government organizations and thereby an increase in tax dollars - all of the lobbies for Israel cost taxpayers money by advocating for the same or increased funds to Israel just to name one example.

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    Re: Union membership down again in 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    many other lobbying groups don't cost the public money directly or indirectly. few lobbying groups cost us taxpayers money as directly as the public unions. gun rights organizations don't cost you money. neither do gay rights organizations.
    wow. such a depth of understanding in that post
    government employees cost the government money
    who would have thought of that
    great point turtle
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Union membership down again in 2010

    Unions were nce a good thing for workers but those days are in the distant past.
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    Today a person with any ambition need only work hard to get ahead. I did it,and if I can can go from an hourly employee to an executive manager with over 100 employees in 5 years anyone can do it. I didn't need a Union to do it. I just needed to apply myself.

    I used to tell new hires tht the only thing that stood between where they were setting and where I was, is desire and attitude.

    When I was interviewed for my first promotion I was asked why I think I am qualified to be in management, I said without thinking it was because I was smarter than those I was working for.

    I instantly thought what the hell did I say day that for. It was true but not something you say outload.

    I went to school to be a journalist and reporter and graduated at San Diego State many years ago and in a couple of years later became an Executive Manager and Assistant Director of Distribution, all without unions. My last position before returning to communications was as a union buster and i nver lost and it was because all i ever had to do was tell the truth.

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    Re: Union membership down again in 2010

    AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW WWWWWWWWWW, are da poor liddle babies gonna cwy now? Poooor liddle unyuns.
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    Re: Union membership down again in 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    This is why anyone who has the slightest consept of capitalism knows public sector unions are problematic.
    Anyoje with the slightest concept of capitalism knows that unions serve a capitalistic cause

    To increase the profits of the members of it


    Profits in this case are the people selling their labour to the government. No different then when Xi Corp sells its services to the government or when Ford sells you a car. All want to charge the maximum for their service or good. Companies form Chamber of Commerces, lobby groups, individuals form unions and lobby groups

    It is all about making the best deal one can

    If the deal is unacceptable, the person (in the case of public sector unions) who should be derided is the politician for being an idiot, not the company that sold its goods or services at inflated rates, nor the union that got the best deal it could. That is why they exsist
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    Re: Union membership down again in 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    many lobbies advocate for policies that will require an increase in funds to certain government organizations and thereby an increase in tax dollars - all of the lobbies for Israel cost taxpayers money by advocating for the same or increased funds to Israel just to name one example.
    few have the same direct costs upon the taxpayer. and few have the politicians bargaining with them in their pocket t the same extent that the public unions do

    why do we need public unions? laws determine the rights and pay of public sector workers in a uniform manner



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    Re: Union membership down again in 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    wow. such a depth of understanding in that post
    government employees cost the government money
    who would have thought of that
    great point turtle






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    Re: Union membership down again in 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    no, i've never taught before. i grew up in family of inner-city educators. teach in an inner-city school in Chicago for 10 years and come back. until then, your experiences are too limited to understand my arguments.
    oh... so you haven't experienced it.... you've just had people you know experience it....

    and your explination / defense of the ludicrous claim that they are somehow suffering beyond mortal ken is backed up with.... a just-so statement. "go teach for ten years and then come back and tell me that being forced to work in a nice, air-conditioned place out of the weather for 9 hours a day isn't brutal"

    no offense man, but i was running a company level tactical (street level) intel cell in Fallujah back when Fallujah was Fallujah. the people I know were in the push through Nad Ali (Marjah); where my battalion took a company's worth of casualties. My public employee workplace has involved me cleaning bits of other people off and watching my friends go down, helpless to stop them. you'll have to forgive me if i'm not crying for the plight of inner city teachers being asked to watch the kids during breakfast.
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