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    Re: Union membership down again in 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Anyone who has the slightest conception of employers taking advantage of workers would understand the desire/need of workers to have a public union.
    American Citizens are that collective. Nobody prevents you from bargaining with the tax payers. Show we the laundry list of terrible exploitation of public workers that can be shown in history with private workers.

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    Re: Union membership down again in 2010

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    American Citizens are that collective. Nobody prevents you from bargaining with the tax payers. Show we the laundry list of terrible exploitation of public workers that can be shown in history with private workers.
    Are you joking? The same crap that happened to many private workers happened with many public workers. Study history. If you want modern example, teach in an inner-city in Chicago for 10 years like some of my family and find out what crap their employers tried to pull on them.

    As far as history, talk to a firefighter's union or even a teacher's union about the crap they dealt with in the beginning.

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    Re: Union membership down again in 2010

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    Re: Union membership down again in 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    unions are just one lobby among many. the funny part though is that unions look out for more middle class, normal people than many of the rest of them and yet they're the ones people are really targeting.
    They sure. Like when goonionized "teachers" walk off the job to engage in mob action at the Wisconsin state capitol in such numbers as to force school closures, thereby requiring parents with real jobs to take time off or spend money for baby sitters. That's really looking out for the middle class!

    Don't forget now, that working mom who had to take the day off because some scum bucket union thug pretending to be a teacher had to go march in his red shirt? She had to pay her own money into her retirement fund, and she's paying taxes to fund that thug's retirement, too. And the thug was out protesting because he might have to join the rest of America in actually contributing to his own retirement for a change. But, sure, that thug was looking out for the middle class. He was looking out to make sure he wasn't forced to join it.

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    Re: Union membership down again in 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    American Citizens are that collective. Nobody prevents you from bargaining with the tax payers. Show we the laundry list of terrible exploitation of public workers that can be shown in history with private workers.
    There is none.

    Any time a public employee dislikes his job he always had the freedom to look for another.

    That's what America is all about.

    If hesheit can't find another job, then hesheit should stop whining and get back to work.

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    Re: Union membership down again in 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    ok
    list those reasons
    1) The goonion payback to politicians who agree to raise wages in exchange, creating an undesirable positive feedback loop that cuts out the people the politican was actually elected to represent, the man working in the private sector paying the taxes for the goonion's free ride.

    2) see the first one, that was enough.

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    Re: Union membership down again in 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Are you joking? The same crap that happened to many private workers happened with many public workers. Study history. If you want modern example, teach in an inner-city in Chicago for 10 years like some of my family and find out what crap their employers tried to pull on them.

    As far as history, talk to a firefighter's union or even a teacher's union about the crap they dealt with in the beginning.
    I notice a lack of a single concrete example.

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    Re: Union membership down again in 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Anyone who has the slightest conception of employers taking advantage of workers would understand the desire/need of workers to have a public union.
    Yes, everyone understands greed and laziness. Those who do not wish to succumb to both say out of unions in general and public employment in particular.

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    Re: Union membership down again in 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Anyone who has the slightest conception of employers taking advantage of workers would understand the desire/need of workers to have a public union.
    so, you are saying that the people of this country are evil, and must be fought?

    given that they are the employers of public workers?

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    Re: Union membership down again in 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Sure. For teachers, excessive class sizes, poor work environments, dangerous work environments, longer hours, taking advantage of break time, firing people for arbitrary reasons, having teachers perform duties that others are supposed to perform (i.e. administering breakfast for students when cafeteria workers are supposed to do that cutting into class time), threatening teachers who don't cheat on exams, etc.
    1. the only time i'm aware of goernment interating with cheating teachers is when they got caught cheating and were subsequently fired.

    2. college professors often teach to classes of 200 people. i somehow doubt that a highschool teacher will suffer mental overload and death if he is forced to lecture a class of 35 rather than 30. the "crowded classroom" thing is a canard, anyway; used by teachers unions to get more funding.

    3. longer hours? longer hours? teachers work - what - 7 hours a day? 8? from one public employee to another, they can suck that one up.

    4. there is nothing wrong with teachers being used to monitor lunchrooms, there is nothing remotely abusive about that whatsoever, and the fact that you think it is, is hilarious.

    5. the dangerous work conditions i will buy. which is why i would pay more to teachers willing to work in dangerous schools (the teachers unions, of course, shoot down the idea of paying teachers extra for behavioral incentives). however, i will only be willing to do this if they can be fired should they fail to perform there. which brings us to point #...

    6. if you are fired for arbitrary reasons, usually you can sue and make quite a chunk of change. but public teachers can hardly be fired at all. the cost and trouble for firing a public teachers is legendary.

    oh, and getting fired? that's not abuse. that's the entity that hired you deciding it had made a mistake, and correcting that mistake. out in the real world private workers recognize that if they don't perform, that's the result. only in the public sector is getting fired "just" because you suck at your job "abuse".

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