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    Re: Union membership down again in 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrickt View Post
    That's hilarious. Unions look out for, oh, right, union bosses. That's why their pension is funded and the workers pensions are underfunded. And, people do tend to target criminals. Extortion, assault, murder, theft, fraud. And, the victims of this are middle-class folks. Who did the government screw with the takeover of General Motors? The middle-class foks who had GM bonds in the pension portfolios. Who did the goverment reward with the takeover of General Motors? The union thugs who gave President Obama millions and millins.
    You are confused. Unions look out for, oh, right, union members. Of course, they also look out for themselves and union members complain when they overreach, but unions also negotiate higher wages, better work conditions, better benefits and so on for the paying members. Union members pay them to negotiate and lobby to the government. Sorry. Like I said, they're just another lobby - lobby whose members tend to be in the middle class. Unions are how certain public workers ensure that they have a good work environment instead of getting treated however the government wants to treat them.

    Just another lobby. Nothing to see here.

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    Re: Union membership down again in 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    unions look out for their members contrary to the best interests of the publi

    they also support politicians who raise taxes on productive people and give plush contracts to the unions
    Hows that different than just about any other lobby in DC or anywhere else for that matter? Its called special interest for a reason. I'm not disagreeing with you, but you are very selective.

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    Re: Union membership down again in 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    1. subverts democracy by giving a non-represenatitve, elected, or accountable entity veto power over the decisions of the representatives of the people

    2. creates powerful pressure groups with incentives to push for unsustainable growth and spending on the part of government, who are also uniquely positioned to place intense pressure on those in the political structure least able to resist them.

    3. private sector unions are limited in their sapping of a corporation by a simple factor; they want the company to survive and the company must be profitable in order to do so. public sector unions are under no such constraint, as those who they are negotiating with have only gain and no pain in endlessly extending and increasing their benefits. the taxpayer pays, but that's because he is forced to by law.


    4. these above factors combined have led to our current situation; where public sector unions and their associated costs are threatning to bankrupt not only multiple counties and municipalities, but full, semi-soveriegn states.
    This is why anyone who has the slightest consept of capitalism knows public sector unions are problematic.

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    Re: Union membership down again in 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    This is why anyone who has the slightest consept of capitalism knows public sector unions are problematic.
    Anyone who has the slightest conception of employers taking advantage of workers would understand the desire/need of workers to have a public union.

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    Re: Union membership down again in 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Anyone who has the slightest conception of employers taking advantage of workers would understand the desire/need of workers to have a public union.
    Where taking about the government here, it's artificial, employers dont have a big choice in the matter, and when they do... it's because it is a Union structure that benifits the people who are most closely tied with it. What does have a big choice is our budget and congress, and that should be THE way to improve government workers needs. Talk to them if you want more funding for teacher's, construction, etc. , but if we can't afford it... either to bad so sad, or cut other programs in order to have more money for funding.

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    Re: Union membership down again in 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Where taking about the government here, it's artificial, employers dont have a big choice in the matter, and when they do... it's because it is a Union structure that benifits the people who are most closely tied with it. What does have a big choice is our budget and congress, and that should be THE way to improve government workers needs. Talk to them if you want more funding for teacher's, construction, etc. , but if we can't afford it... either to bad so sad, or cut other programs in order to have more money for funding.
    The government tries to take advantage of public workers all the time and it isn't too bad so sad because public unions still exist and still advocate for their members. Too bad so sad for people like you who would have it otherwise.

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    Re: Union membership down again in 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    The government tries to take advantage of public workers all the time and it isn't too bad so sad because public unions still exist and still advocate for their members. Too bad so sad for people like you who would have it otherwise.
    You have some examples of how the government takes advantage of public employees.....??



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    Re: Union membership down again in 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    You have some examples of how the government takes advantage of public employees.....??
    2nded. Because I understand the incentives for an employer to pinch pennies, but government never seems to care to. So what incentive would a government employer have to take advantage of his employees?
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Union membership down again in 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    You have some examples of how the government takes advantage of public employees.....??
    Sure. For teachers, excessive class sizes, poor work environments, dangerous work environments, longer hours, taking advantage of break time, firing people for arbitrary reasons, having teachers perform duties that others are supposed to perform (i.e. administering breakfast for students when cafeteria workers are supposed to do that cutting into class time), threatening teachers who don't cheat on exams, etc.
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    Re: Union membership down again in 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    This is why anyone who has the slightest consept of capitalism knows public sector unions are problematic.
    Yes they make a living and the rich dont want to slow minded private sector to ever realize that

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