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    Libya-Civilian deaths-Russia

    Why does the Russian news state that NATO is killing civilians? If it were true, wouldn't the objective press be reporting it?

    Libya: NATO massacres civilians - English pravda.ru

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    Re: Libya-Civilian deaths-Russia

    Pravda is basically a tabloid. Also, foreign news gets lots of stories we don't get domestically. A dozen dead civilians in Libya doesnt make news here nor is it outlandish to assume it's probably happened.

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    Re: Libya-Civilian deaths-Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Pravda is basically a tabloid. Also, foreign news gets lots of stories we don't get domestically. A dozen dead civilians in Libya doesnt make news here nor is it outlandish to assume it's probably happened.
    Why would foreign news get more stories than the USA. Isn't our press thorough and unbiased and complete?

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    Re: Libya-Civilian deaths-Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Why does the Russian news state that NATO is killing civilians? If it were true, wouldn't the objective press be reporting it?

    Libya: NATO massacres civilians - English pravda.ru
    I wouldn't be surprised if a small number of civilians are being killed inadvertantly, but as tragic as that is, it is no massacre. Of course, the thugs in Moscow have no more love of the truth as thugs in Beijing or other non-democratic states around the world.
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    Re: Libya-Civilian deaths-Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Why would foreign news get more stories than the USA.
    Libyan civilian deaths have been reported in the Western press, including the death of these 40 civilians. It hardly approaches the level of "massacre," however.

    Isn't our press thorough and unbiased and complete?
    Hardly. But is Pravda? Read SE102's post.
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    Re: Libya-Civilian deaths-Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Libyan civilian deaths have been reported in the Western press, including the death of these 40 civilians. It hardly approaches the level of "massacre," however.



    Hardly. But is Pravda? Read SE102's post.
    I gotcha, so how many does it take to be a "massacre?"
    Also, is the number the same when both women and children die, and are they less dead if the rebels accidentally kill them? Does it make sense that a civil war will kill civilians?

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    Re: Libya-Civilian deaths-Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I gotcha, so how many does it take to be a "massacre?"
    Also, is the number the same when both women and children die, and are they less dead if the rebels accidentally kill them? Does it make sense that a civil war will kill civilians?
    It makes sense that in any war there will be civilian casualties. The best we can do is to try to minimize them. My definition of "massacre" would be an intentional mass killing, which this was not.
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    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Libya-Civilian deaths-Russia

    The Soviet Union had 2 newpapers: Izvestia (which means news), and Pravda (which means truth). The joke was "There's no izvestia in Pravda, and there's no pravda in Izvestia!"

    Pravda was the organ of the Communist Party. The fact that they're coming with the anti-American spin is about as surprising as when Sean Hannity attacks Obama.

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    Re: Libya-Civilian deaths-Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Pravda is basically a tabloid. Also, foreign news gets lots of stories we don't get domestically. A dozen dead civilians in Libya doesnt make news here nor is it outlandish to assume it's probably happened.
    Probably won't get the full collateral count, or even number of displaced refugees, from Iraq, Afghanistan or Pakistan either.

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    Re: Libya-Civilian deaths-Russia

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