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    Re: Poland's Solidarity Aligns with Wisconsin Workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Where do I live? I resent your cheap-shot insinuation. Does Naperville ring any bells? Talk about thuggery.

    I am not a Democrat. I am not now and I have have never been a union member. This is a matter of principle. What the Wisconsin GOP did here was nothing short of gunboat diplomacy. I find it unbelievably sad that you can't see it.
    What the heck is thuggery about that?? You'll have to excuse me that I thought you lived outside of the US. I don't know what I was thinking. Oh! Maybe it was the foreign alphabet in your Location information. And your signature.

    I, on the other hand, find it unbelievably sad that you would compare Wisconsin to Nazi Germany. Here's what Hitler did:

    Reviewing a transcript of the opening statement of the chief U.S. counsel in the Nuremberg Trials, we found the Nazis:

    •Seized all funds of labor unions and arrested union leaders, sending them to concentration camps.
    •Ordered that no workers organizations, except ones created by Hitler, would exist.
    •Replaced collective bargaining with Hitler-appointed "trustees" to regulate the conditions of all labor contracts.
    •So, Hitler abolished all unions and collective bargaining by decree, not with legislation. And he used force to liquidate the unions that did exist.
    Pick out the ones that are similar to the Wisconsin situation. And list 'em. Or admit that your comparison might have been just a tad over the top. I'd admit it in a heartbeat. Will you?

    Edit: Oh, now that's just plain nasty!!
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    Re: Poland's Solidarity Aligns with Wisconsin Workers

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    We don't govern by polls in the United States. As for polls, what questions did they ask? Who did they poll? When were the polls taken? What was the methodology used? Poll results are meaningless without this information.

    I don't know what's going to happen with this legislation. I don't know who will actually be recalled. But I do know that we are operating within the confines of a democracy and not in any way, shape or form anything at all!! like Nazi Germany!!
    Read the website... you'll find the dates. I am pretty sure when an approval/disapproval poll is conducted the only thing asked is if you approve or disapprove. I have taken those before, and some other questions it may ask is your party affiliation and you're age, maybe race too.

    As for the laws, nobody is acting outside of the law... the republicans or the democrats. The democrats, when they left the state, and the republicans when they moved the legislation through the government. That's different than acting in favor with the voters, which it doesn't appear that they are doing. That's why the recall is moving ahead.

    Just to make sure we are on the same page here, would you or would you not have a problem if a super majority was voted into office and then government according their own will and not the people? Don't you think that's a problem in principle? I don't think the government was designed to operate that way. That's why the founders gave us the constitution and free elections...

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    Re: Poland's Solidarity Aligns with Wisconsin Workers

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Read the website... you'll find the dates. I am pretty sure when an approval/disapproval poll is conducted the only thing asked is if you approve or disapprove. I have taken those before, and some other questions it may ask is your party affiliation and you're age, maybe race too.

    As for the laws, nobody is acting outside of the law... the republicans or the democrats. The democrats, when they left the state, and the republicans when they moved the legislation through the government. That's different than acting in favor with the voters, which it doesn't appear that they are doing. That's why the recall is moving ahead.

    Just to make sure we are on the same page here, would you or would you not have a problem if a super majority was voted into office and then government according their own will and not the people? Don't you think that's a problem in principle? I don't think the government was designed to operate that way. That's why the founders gave us the constitution and free elections...
    Well, thank you for that admission that no one acted outside the law. I'm good with that.

    I think Governor Walker did what he thought was right for the state of Wisconsin. It just may have destroyed his career. Or made him a hero. Time will tell. I just got furious (Damn that TashaH! ) that anyone would compare Walker to Hitler or Wisconsin to Nazi Germany. It is so typical of the over-the-top crap that's been going on -- on the union side.

    Yeah, we are sort of on the same page. I think Walker went for too much too soon. But I don't find fault with him for one main reason: his changes still give public sector workers more bargaining power than every Federal employee in the United States.

    I tried to find the questions asked in the last poll link you posted. Clicked on Methodology, but it didn't give the questions. It did say that the poll was taken on week days, 9 to 5. Interesting. Who's home? I hate polls. Especially when they don't agree with me.
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    Re: Poland's Solidarity Aligns with Wisconsin Workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    My name is Tashah. Not Tasha. Solidarity views it exactly as I do... the Wisconsin GOP is traveling down a very slippery slope.
    You haven't explained your position how government workers feeding from the tax payer, and the correction is equal to Hitler's Germany. You may have explained it elsewhere, but not everyone reads all your posts as they don't read mine. I've posted David Kay's and Hans Blix's testimony numerous times because folks I don't assume folks have seen it... so...

    How is Walker akin to Hitler, and where is this slippery slope? You've posted but there is no substance in those posts. How about a logical explanation?

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    Re: Poland's Solidarity Aligns with Wisconsin Workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrickt View Post
    Organized crime often has supporters who think they can get something and give up nothing. Unions are a very, very lucrative branch of organized crime. Extortion, fraud, bribery, assault, intimidation, theft, and other crimes are their stock in trade.
    I never understand the assumed connection between public unions and organized crime. It seems very anachronistic. This isn't the 1920s-50s.
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    Re: Poland's Solidarity Aligns with Wisconsin Workers

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBook View Post
    I never understand the assumed connection between public unions and organized crime. It seems very anachronistic. This isn't the 1920s-50s.
    Fact is, unions are as American as apple pie, and an overwhelming majority of Americans don't want them screwed with. This will be a major issue in 2012, and the battle of Wisconsin is but a harbinger of things to come. My advise to Republicans - Fughettibottit. You are playing with fire, and it will burn you.
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    Re: Poland's Solidarity Aligns with Wisconsin Workers

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Fact is, unions are as American as apple pie, and an overwhelming majority of Americans don't want them screwed with. This will be a major issue in 2012, and the battle of Wisconsin is but a harbinger of things to come. My advise to Republicans - Fughettibottit. You are playing with fire, and it will burn you.
    Especially if the Dems manage to make it not about unions but about the right to do what you want with in the law .... you know a typical republican mantra thing.. This is after all what it is about.. taking away the rights of individuals to do what they want with their lives.
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    Re: Poland's Solidarity Aligns with Wisconsin Workers

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Government workers, those at the tax payer's trough shouldn't be unionized.
    Why on earth not? Do you think just because they're receiving wages from the public pot (which they themselves pay into) they should have the right to negotiation regarding any changes removed from them?

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    Re: Poland's Solidarity Aligns with Wisconsin Workers

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Fact is, unions are as American as apple pie, and an overwhelming majority of Americans don't want them screwed with. This will be a major issue in 2012, and the battle of Wisconsin is but a harbinger of things to come. My advise to Republicans - Fughettibottit. You are playing with fire, and it will burn you.
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    Re: Poland's Solidarity Aligns with Wisconsin Workers

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    How is Walker akin to Hitler, and where is this slippery slope? You've posted but there is no substance in those posts. How about a logical explanation?
    Just giving you and Maggie a taste of your own swill. Union members are thugs? Okay then. The WI/GOP is doing the goose step.

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