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    GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut

    House Republicans are planning to cut roughly $1 trillion over 10 years from Medicaid, the government health insurance program for the poor and disabled, as part of their fiscal 2012 budget, which they will unveil early next month, according to several GOP sources.
    A trillion bucks over the next 10 years is quite a bit, but it won't work, and will actually end up being more expensive than what is now in place.

    1) The poor will simply get treated at emergency rooms instead of seeing their doctor.

    2) The poor will wait until their conditions deteriorate before seeking treatment, which will then become much more expensive than it otherwise would.

    3) With no more preventive medicine for the poor, they will be going to emergency rooms in droves, when they develop serious conditions that could have been prevented by treatment in a clinic.

    In my opinion, this is a dumb move. Even if you view poor people as leeches on society, gutting Medicaid is going to result in bigger expenditures in the long run. Now there is ONE way to reduce the expenses that poor people cost the rest of us. Just set an earnings limit of, say, 10,000 bucks a year, and everybody under that income gets taken to a field where they are all shot and then dumped into a mass grave. You know, that would work for the disabled too. I know, I know, this sounds cold as hell, but since we are talking about reducing the budget so that banksters can feel comfortable with all those bailout bonuses we are giving them, we are going to have to balance the budget someplace. Since we are choosing to balance it on the backs of the poor and disabled, let's just kill them all so they will no longer be a problem. We can then, in church, raise our hands to the Lord, in front of the entire world, and let Jesus know that we did care enough about the poor to do something about them. Hallelujah!

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    Re: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    A trillion bucks over the next 10 years is quite a bit, but it won't work, and will actually end up being more expensive than what is now in place.

    1) The poor will simply get treated at emergency rooms instead of seeing their doctor.

    2) The poor will wait until their conditions deteriorate before seeking treatment, which will then become much more expensive than it otherwise would.

    3) With no more preventive medicine for the poor, they will be going to emergency rooms in droves, when they develop serious conditions that could have been prevented by treatment in a clinic.

    In my opinion, this is a dumb move. Even if you view poor people as leeches on society, gutting Medicaid is going to result in bigger expenditures in the long run. Now there is ONE way to reduce the expenses that poor people cost the rest of us. Just set an earnings limit of, say, 10,000 bucks a year, and everybody under that income gets taken to a field where they are all shot and then dumped into a mass grave. You know, that would work for the disabled too. I know, I know, this sounds cold as hell, but since we are talking about reducing the budget so that banksters can feel comfortable with all those bailout bonuses we are giving them, we are going to have to balance the budget someplace. Since we are choosing to balance it on the backs of the poor and disabled, let's just kill them all so they will no longer be a problem. We can then, in church, raise our hands to the Lord, in front of the entire world, and let Jesus know that we did care enough about the poor to do something about them. Hallelujah!

    Article is here.
    Well, I can applaud the idea that the GOP is getting serious about budget cutting, but I want to see the proposal. Blind cutting, as you say, could very well end up being more costly in the end. Can we trust the GOP to look beyond ideology and strike a workable compromise on budget issues? That's yet to be seen.

    That said, cutting Medicaid is hardly akin to mass graves any more than ObamaCare calls for "death panels." The hyperbole just makes it that much harder to actually find a workable solution.
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    Re: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut

    “You need to be responsible for the fact that your smoking costs us more.” — Monica Coury, assistant director of the state's Medicaid program, the Arizona Health Care Cost Containment System


    Arizona has a new idea: if you're poor and you don't conform to the government's lifestyle standards then no matter what your personal circumstances are you'll be punished.

    Excerpted from “Arizona Governor Proposes Revamping Medicaid Program; Arizonans Be Fined for Leading Unhealthy Lives” BY BEN FORER, ABC News, April 1, 2011
    As part of a plan to revamp the state's Medicaid program, Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer announced on Thursday that she is proposing fees for adults who lead unhealthy lives.

    Childless adults who are obese or suffer from a chronic condition and who fail to work with their doctor to meet specific goals would be charged $50 annually. The $50 annual fee also would apply to all childless adult smokers. …
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    Re: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    A trillion bucks over the next 10 years is quite a bit, but it won't work, and will actually end up being more expensive than what is now in place.

    1) The poor will simply get treated at emergency rooms instead of seeing their doctor.

    2) The poor will wait until their conditions deteriorate before seeking treatment, which will then become much more expensive than it otherwise would.

    3) With no more preventive medicine for the poor, they will be going to emergency rooms in droves, when they develop serious conditions that could have been prevented by treatment in a clinic.

    In my opinion, this is a dumb move. Even if you view poor people as leeches on society, gutting Medicaid is going to result in bigger expenditures in the long run. Now there is ONE way to reduce the expenses that poor people cost the rest of us. Just set an earnings limit of, say, 10,000 bucks a year, and everybody under that income gets taken to a field where they are all shot and then dumped into a mass grave. You know, that would work for the disabled too. I know, I know, this sounds cold as hell, but since we are talking about reducing the budget so that banksters can feel comfortable with all those bailout bonuses we are giving them, we are going to have to balance the budget someplace. Since we are choosing to balance it on the backs of the poor and disabled, let's just kill them all so they will no longer be a problem. We can then, in church, raise our hands to the Lord, in front of the entire world, and let Jesus know that we did care enough about the poor to do something about them. Hallelujah!

    Article is here.
    What BS. Here's the plan.
    The Roadmap secures Medicare for current beneficiaries, while making common-sense reforms to save this critical program
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    It preserves the existing Medicare program for those currently enrolled or becoming eligible in the next 10 years (those 55 and older today) - So Americans can receive the benefits they planned for throughout their working lives. For those currently under 55 – as they become Medicare-eligible – it creates a Medicare payment, initially averaging $11,000, to be used to purchase a Medicare certified plan. The payment is adjusted to reflect medical inflation, and pegged to income, with low-income individuals receiving greater support. The plan also provides risk adjustment, so those with greater medical needs receive a higher payment.
    The proposal also fully funds Medical Savings Accounts [MSAs] for low-income beneficiaries, while continuing to allow all beneficiaries, regardless of income, to set up tax-free MSAs.
    Based on consultation with the Office of the Actuary of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services and using Congressional Budget Office [CBO] these reforms will make Medicare permanently solvent
    Modernizes Medicaid and strengthens the health care safety net by reforming high-risk pools, giving States maximum flexibility to tailor Medicaid programs to the specific needs of their populations. Allows Medicaid recipients to take part in the same variety of options and high-quality care available to everyone through the tax credit option.
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    Re: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut

    They are serious about making promises. I have never seen them actually risk their jobs. BTW I support raising the retirement age to 72. That would save a huge amount of dough. Ofcourse I'm not a pol afraid of losing my cushie seat.
    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    Well, I can applaud the idea that the GOP is getting serious about budget cutting, but I want to see the proposal. Blind cutting, as you say, could very well end up being more costly in the end. Can we trust the GOP to look beyond ideology and strike a workable compromise on budget issues? That's yet to be seen.

    That said, cutting Medicaid is hardly akin to mass graves any more than ObamaCare calls for "death panels." The hyperbole just makes it that much harder to actually find a workable solution.

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    Re: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut

    All I see in the plan, is more handouts to the private medical industry. It is the private medical industry that is the freaking problem in the first place, yet they get rewarded... now that is typical GOP.
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    Re: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    A trillion bucks over the next 10 years is quite a bit, but it won't work, and will actually end up being more expensive than what is now in place.

    1) The poor will simply get treated at emergency rooms instead of seeing their doctor.

    2) The poor will wait until their conditions deteriorate before seeking treatment, which will then become much more expensive than it otherwise would.

    3) With no more preventive medicine for the poor, they will be going to emergency rooms in droves, when they develop serious conditions that could have been prevented by treatment in a clinic.

    In my opinion, this is a dumb move. Even if you view poor people as leeches on society, gutting Medicaid is going to result in bigger expenditures in the long run. Now there is ONE way to reduce the expenses that poor people cost the rest of us. Just set an earnings limit of, say, 10,000 bucks a year, and everybody under that income gets taken to a field where they are all shot and then dumped into a mass grave. You know, that would work for the disabled too. I know, I know, this sounds cold as hell, but since we are talking about reducing the budget so that banksters can feel comfortable with all those bailout bonuses we are giving them, we are going to have to balance the budget someplace. Since we are choosing to balance it on the backs of the poor and disabled, let's just kill them all so they will no longer be a problem. We can then, in church, raise our hands to the Lord, in front of the entire world, and let Jesus know that we did care enough about the poor to do something about them. Hallelujah!

    Article is here.
    Actually Dan, a lot of the elderly on Medicaid were not poor, but their kids transferred their parent's assets out before they apply for the coverage.
    Medicaid is means tested for institutional elder care, at least in my state but there are ways to swindle it by the common person.

    Frankly, IF this does knock off a trillion and brings the budget in line, why are you complaining? and since you don't like it, what is your solution?
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    Re: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut

    I wouldn't have such a problem with this if it weren't for the corporate bailouts.

    The GOP cries about socialism a lot but they are okay with corporate socialism and using the money of tax payers to support the corrupt banking system.

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    Re: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    I wouldn't have such a problem with this if it weren't for the corporate bailouts.

    The GOP cries about socialism a lot but they are okay with corporate socialism and using the money of tax payers to support the corrupt banking system.
    The Fed is the lender of last resort, created to bail out banks, nothing new.
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    Re: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Arizona has a new idea: if you're poor and you don't conform to the government's lifestyle standards then no matter what your personal circumstances are you'll be punished.
    Nothing new in that idea, the left has been pushing it for decades. The only exception was when the Left decided the HIV virus needed civil rights, and gave them to it.

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