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    Re: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBook View Post
    Short term-minded cuts on preventative care are just that, short term. The deficit is fixable with the removal of the Bush tax cuts along with the removal of corporate tax loopholes along with other reforms to the tax code (e.g. creating a higher tax bracket at $1 million) and raising the retirement age. All of these solutions are viable long-term.
    We need to cut out all loopholes and subsidies. No need to raise taxes on anyone.
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    Re: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    We need to cut out all loopholes and subsidies. No need to raise taxes on anyone.
    I agree with you barb...what I dont think we need is to cut loopholes and give another tax cut on top of the state tax cuts and the bush tax cuts right now.

    What all of you are ignoring is that when the economy comes back and people are back to work there will far more money flowing into the treasury.

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    Re: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    1) The poor will simply get treated at emergency rooms instead of seeing their doctor.

    2) The poor will wait until their conditions deteriorate before seeking treatment, which will then become much more expensive than it otherwise would.

    3) With no more preventive medicine for the poor, they will be going to emergency rooms in droves, when they develop serious conditions that could have been prevented by treatment in a clinic.
    Please tell me how this....

    Ryan’s preferred treatment for Medicaid, outlined in a policy booklet called “A Roadmap for America’s Future,” is to convert current federal payments to states into direct assistance in the form of $11,000 per year per recipient, which could be used to purchase private insurance. Read more: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut - Jonathan Allen - POLITICO.com
    ....is going to result in your #'s 1-2-3. Gads. We don't even know what his proposal is. I'm so sick and tired of people who stand in the way of fiscal reform by whining, "Yeah, but don't cut this one!!!!!"
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    Re: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    But in your ideal system of fairness, wouldn't it be prudent to also eliminate fraud and abuse in entitlement spending. SS, Medicare, Medicaid, UEI, food stamps, and welfare, subsidies etc..? I am one of those self made rich dudes, and I personally wouldn't mind paying a bit more, if everyone else sacrificed a bit as well. Unlike those rascally rich folks the lib's are always talking about, I sacraficed a great deal as I was making my way up the ladder. I missed a lot while my kids were growing up, I sacrificed my first marriage while I was working those 70 and 80 hour work weeks.. I don't feel guilty for being rich, I damn well earned it, and paid for it many times over.. My sacrifices are documented.. What about the sacrifices of the welfare peeps who have state of the art cell phones, the best sneakers, and the bling? What is their sacrifice?

    There's lot's that can be done to reign in over zelaous politicians, but it works both ways.. or it should!

    Besides, notwithstanding my little rant.. It doesn't matter. It can't be fixed with taxes and spending cuts.. We as a nation are beyond the tipping point. The only thing our current crop of politicians can do is continue to push it off on later generations, and continue to lie bald faced to the American public while continuing to do so..


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    Re: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    A trillion bucks over the next 10 years is quite a bit, but it won't work, and will actually end up being more expensive than what is now in place.

    1) The poor will simply get treated at emergency rooms instead of seeing their doctor.

    2) The poor will wait until their conditions deteriorate before seeking treatment, which will then become much more expensive than it otherwise would.

    3) With no more preventive medicine for the poor, they will be going to emergency rooms in droves, when they develop serious conditions that could have been prevented by treatment in a clinic.

    In my opinion, this is a dumb move. Even if you view poor people as leeches on society, gutting Medicaid is going to result in bigger expenditures in the long run. Now there is ONE way to reduce the expenses that poor people cost the rest of us. Just set an earnings limit of, say, 10,000 bucks a year, and everybody under that income gets taken to a field where they are all shot and then dumped into a mass grave. You know, that would work for the disabled too. I know, I know, this sounds cold as hell, but since we are talking about reducing the budget so that banksters can feel comfortable with all those bailout bonuses we are giving them, we are going to have to balance the budget someplace. Since we are choosing to balance it on the backs of the poor and disabled, let's just kill them all so they will no longer be a problem. We can then, in church, raise our hands to the Lord, in front of the entire world, and let Jesus know that we did care enough about the poor to do something about them. Hallelujah!

    Article is here.
    I would find this post funny, if it wasn't so sad. Let's get this straight. First dems decry the $61 billion of proposed cuts for 2011 saying they are a drop in the bucket. The cry is only looking at a small portion of the budget, not the real problem, entitlements. Then a congressperson actually has the nerve to propose a way, perhaps not the best way, to curtail the key medical entitlements which will bankrupt the country and the partisans attack blindly.

    How can this country get back on a sane fiscal stance with an electorate like this.

    This post should be a wake up call to this country that it is on the wrong track. You would think that people on a site like this actually understand the issues at more detail than the population overall.

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    Re: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut

    The plan is being unveiled on Fox right now.
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    Re: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut

    classic implementation of the republican starve the beast political strategy

    eliminate the availability of revenues - in this case the $Trillion in tax savings for millionaires and billionaires

    and to make up for that loss, make cuts - also a $Trillion - to diminish the availability of medical care for the elderly
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut

    Working in a pharmacy, I can tell you that almost 90% (or so it seems) of Medicaid prescriptions are spent on narcotics, birth control, and viagra. Things that are not necessary to life. The truth is, is that cuts need to be made, and they may hurt. We need to reform healthcare to make it cheaper. It wouldn't surprise me if we spend all the cut money on waste anyway.
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    Re: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    classic implementation of the republican starve the beast political strategy

    eliminate the availability of revenues - in this case the $Trillion in tax savings for millionaires and billionaires

    and to make up for that loss, make cuts - also a $Trillion - to diminish the availability of medical care for the elderly
    Nor sure if you undertand that the medical entitlement costs are the long term killer for the U.. budget. I have heard the number of $30 trillion anticipated shortfall in present dollars. So yes, this is a key problem that has to be fixed.

    My sense is that the only way to really fix our problem is that dems will have to be realistic about entitlements and repubs will have to be realisitc about taxes. My understanding is that the proposal acknowledged the need for tac reforms but did not get into specifics.

    It would also seem that not enough attention was on defense spending. But this plan was just to get the discussion on the table. It is not this way or the highway.

    This could be a baseline on what is the key issue for the 2012 elections. Sort of like Ross Perot's " great sucking sound" of job outsourcing, which turned out to be true. It also led Clinton to be more fiscally sound than the two guys following him.

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    Re: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Working in a pharmacy, I can tell you that almost 90% (or so it seems) of Medicaid prescriptions are spent on narcotics, birth control, and viagra. Things that are not necessary to life. The truth is, is that cuts need to be made, and they may hurt. We need to reform healthcare to make it cheaper. It wouldn't surprise me if we spend all the cut money on waste anyway.
    that seems kinda odd. btw, birth control is a good thing. you can't bitch about too many abortions AND birth control coverage at the same time.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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