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    Re: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBook View Post
    Short term-minded cuts on preventative care are just that, short term. The deficit is fixable with the removal of the Bush tax cuts along with the removal of corporate tax loopholes along with other reforms to the tax code (e.g. creating a higher tax bracket at $1 million) and raising the retirement age. All of these solutions are viable long-term.
    Your posts reads like a demand from the man with the torn femoral artery demanding water. Just keep filling him up with water and he won't bleed to death is your theory.

    Do discover the Beatles and listen to their song The Taxman.

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    Re: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Has nothing to do with left or right, but common sense. A society that has a system where the rich and powerful are able to avoid taxes or other "burdens" that the rest are forced to do, is a society that has a serious problem.
    Even worse is a society like America's where those making less than the median income (and that means 50%) of the people pay either no tax at all or so little that it makes no difference to the big picture, and it certainly provides no mechanism to decrease the demand for more hand outs.

    Let's see....Obama's buddy, General Electric, earned 14 gigabucks last year, and paid zero taxes. Assuming they'd not been so well connected to the Democrats and had to pay taxes, they'd have paid somehing like 30%, or 5.2 gigabucks in taxes. How's that compare to a 4 trillion dollar budget? Also, consider that since GE isn't a private person, but a company charging it's customers to have them pay the taxes, and that by and large GE's customer is the United States goverment, who, really, would be paying the taxes GE paid? The man-in-the-street taxpayer would, as the government, would pay that extra cost without question.

    The Mayor is not defending GE's creative tax solutions, merely pointing out that taxing business is nothing but a means of taxing the business's customers. If the goal is a growing economy with an expanding employment base, the correct thing to do is to end corporate subsidies and end corporate taxation, especially the capital gains tax scam.

    The employees will earn more money, the government will tax that, there will be more employees, so the government could think about it's feelings about declining to spend less on social services. It won't spend less, it never does when the economy improves, it merely channels the money to new wasteful spending that becomes bedrock essential in less than a week...but the thought counts, doesn't it? The feelings of the bureaucrats as they fleetingly ponder the odd feeling of maybe almost considering not spending someone else's money...that's what really counts with the socialists and their myriad failed programs, isn't it?
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    Re: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut

    I'm amazed so many of us are already speaking like we're experts in the field and already know for certain what the long term effects will be only hours, days?, after the plan from the GOP has come out.

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    Re: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And you accuse me of being partisan. It is funny how NO one on the right ever mentions the decades of stealing from Social Security.. put that money back and Social Security would be just fine. As for Medicare/Aid... fix your healthcare industry and the costs go down for them too.. keep it as its, then any changes will make it even more expensive.

    Yes, you're partisan. People on the right cite the theft and the raiding of the social security money all the time in their discussions of the perfidy of the socialist driven kleptocratic bloated government.

    And just where on earth is the money going to come from to "just put it back"? Raid the Senator's bank accounts? What? Tax the people who have been robbed again, when the people who robbed them are still expanding their shopping spree?

    Before we fix the health care industry we have to get rid of that stupid nationalized nonsense the left imposed on us. But don't worry, we're Americans and we'll fix our mistakes so you people in Europe and Canada will still have some place to go to get fixed up when your socialized medicine fails you again. This is what Americans do, when our government gets the hell out of the way.

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    Re: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Yes, you're partisan. People on the right cite the theft and the raiding of the social security money all the time in their discussions of the perfidy of the socialist driven kleptocratic bloated government.
    They do? Where? not on these boards, and certainly not the "experts" I see on TV. And those that supposedly cite the theft, do they demand that the Feds put the money back? Of course not, because that would make social security much more viable in the short, medium and long term!..

    And just where on earth is the money going to come from to "just put it back"? Raid the Senator's bank accounts? What? Tax the people who have been robbed again, when the people who robbed them are still expanding their shopping spree?
    Not "our" problem. The money has been paid in by people. Gut the military, tax the companies that got big tax cuts because of the stealing.. I do not care.. point is, social security is with this money safe. The feds guaranteed that the money they "loaned" would be put back, so do that.. Do you really want millions of poor elderly people dieing on the streets.. you know, like 80+ years ago?

    Before we fix the health care industry we have to get rid of that stupid nationalized nonsense the left imposed on us. But don't worry, we're Americans and we'll fix our mistakes so you people in Europe and Canada will still have some place to go to get fixed up when your socialized medicine fails you again. This is what Americans do, when our government gets the hell out of the way.
    Seriously... the problem is not the "nationalized" stuff.. UHC is cheaper world wide than a private run system. Even the Swiss are debating on dumping their private run system because of the much higher costs. The US uses over 16% of GDP on healthcare.. the average European country uses under 10%, many much under 10%, and all have just as good if not better care than that of the US.

    And "socialized medicine" gives as good or better results in most areas of medicine as you get in the US, and it covers everyone.. something the US does not. And no, emergency room treatment of poor uncovered is not considered coverage.. but triage.

    The problem in the US is very simple.. zero competition or regulation. When a state has 1 or 2 carriers, then you know you got a serious problem. You do understand the principle of a monopoly/duopoly right?
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    Re: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut

    I wonder what the results have been turning over health care to the private sectors? This is being done in certain cities. Anyway, it shows we are capable of figuring this all out. I seriously don't want to see elderly and disabled people be dirt poor and helpless for medical care. Being elderly or disabled is not anyone's fault. I think the government has to make some very tough decisions. Even decisions that are unfair to some.

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    Re: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    They do? Where? not on these boards
    i do in nearly every discussion i have about our entitlements. conservatives have been sounding the alarm about our unfunded liabilities for years.

    and certainly not the "experts" I see on TV
    then that's your fault for not watching FOX.

    And those that supposedly cite the theft, do they demand that the Feds put the money back? Of course not, because that would make social security much more viable in the short, medium and long term!..
    and would also be impossible. that money is spent.

    Not "our" problem
    it's America's problem

    The money has been paid in by people.
    and then spent by the chosen representatives of those people on those people.

    trust me; i wish we could "give back" the Great Society. but we can't. the money is gone

    Do you really want millions of poor elderly people dieing on the streets.. you know, like 80+ years ago?
    no, i don't. but tell me about these legions of starving elderly 80 years ago. i can't seem to find any mention of them in my history books...

    anywho; the charge is baseless hyperbole. the republican plan doesn't change anything for anyone over 55; including current retirees.

    The problem in the US is very simple.. zero competition or regulation. When a state has 1 or 2 carriers, then you know you got a serious problem. You do understand the principle of a monopoly/duopoly right?
    i do; what i do not understand is why you think a monopoly is a desireable state.

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    Re: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut

    Last night there was a link on Drudges to Paul Ryans proposal reported by Reuters it had the full article which I read, the link now does not have the entire article anymore this morning, it has a small snippet. In the full version I read last night
    The gop wants to cut the TOP tax rate from 35% to 25% and the corporate tax rate, NO tax cuts for the middle class and drastic cuts in Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security to get to 5.8 trillion in cuts. If that report was accurate, the democrats will eat them alive. Youve already had GOP govs giving tax breaks as soon as they got into officea and the bush tax cuts were already extended and now they want to give the wealthy and corporations another tax break while attacking entitlements....the teaparty is going to far right the GOP into the same arsewhooping the farleft pelosi did for the Dems

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    Re: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut

    [QUOTE=lpast;1059391535]Last night there was a link on Drudges to Paul Ryans proposal reported by Reuters it had the full article which I read, the link now does not have the entire article anymore this morning, it has a small snippet. In the full version I read last night
    The gop wants to cut the TOP tax rate from 35% to 25% and the corporate tax rate, NO tax cuts for the middle class and drastic cuts in Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security to get to 5.8 trillion in cuts. If that report was accurate, the democrats will eat them alive. Youve already had GOP govs giving tax breaks as soon as they got into officea and the bush tax cuts were already extended and now they want to give the wealthy and corporations another tax break while attacking entitlements....again if that report I read last night was true

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    Re: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut

    they also want to reduce loopholes so that those people and corporations pay taxes (GE). dropping tax rates while expanding the tax base and reducing tax code complexity is a great way to keep revenues neutral while boosting the economy; which is precisely why President Obama's bi-partisan debt reduction commission suggested it.

    as for cuts to social security, medicare, medicaid; there aren't any "cuts" to these programs. not a single dollar that got spent last year will not be spent next year. all that is done is that medicaid is turned into a block grant to alter the incentive structure faced by state governments and social security and medicare are reformed to save them for the future generations. those fifty-five and older see not a single change whatsoever.

    Here is the brutal math: we can do this now, or in ten years we can just start chucking people off the programs en masse. the unfunded liability for social security and medicare alone is larger than world GDP; it's $106 TRILLION. there just isn't that kind of money laying around when we are already trillions in debt.

    we're at that point in the ponzi scheme where we are running out of suckers and money. we can either exit wisely in a way that allows us to ease into something that's sustainable, or we can pretend it's not a problem and lose everything (read: hyperinflation or bankruptcy, and either way a worldwide economic collapse). The GOP Leadership is being fairly brave right now, and should be commended.

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