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Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

I don't know a couple years of international relations theory classes may have clued me in... paint me crazy though.

Use ****ing wikipedia if you must.

Those classes should have shown you that the methods for conducting war are not designed by "civilian theorists".
 
I bet you're one of the first to talk about how hated Americans are throughout the world.

You know why that is? It's because were known for expecting everyone to act like Americans.

IF any army came to the USA, to fix a problem that was threatening them in their country, which was emanating from here in the USA, and partially, as a result of the negligence of Americans to control this problem, not many Americans would expect (nor should they) those soldiers to conform to American cultural standards. They, like the American soldiers in Afghanistan, have one priority - staying alive, and completing their mission.

Also, since Islam is an imperialist ideology which seeks to achieve world domination over all else, the last thing anybody should ever be doing, is conforming to it. Anywhere.
 
(smile) Special Agent Squidley is an american hero, just ask him.

We've had almost 10 years to win thier "hearts", how's that working outr for us?

Havent been dirty nuked in our free society and porous borders yet.
 
IF any army came to the USA, to fix a problem that was threatening them in their country, which was emanating from here in the USA, and partially, as a result of the negligence of Americans to control this problem, not many Americans would expect (nor should they) those soldiers to conform to American cultural standards. They, like the American soldiers in Afghanistan, have one priority - staying alive, and completing their mission.

Also, since Islam is an imperialist ideology which seeks to achieve world domination over all else, the last thing anybody should ever be doing, is conforming to it. Anywhere.

I've never, nor would I ever, say that American soldiers should be asked to do anything which increases their chance of injury or death. However, I do feel all should be done that can be done safely. However, I think that all other things being equal to our situation in Afghanistan, any occupying force in America would get absolutely nowhere without becoming American first.

Islam is as imperialist as Christianity for sure. The garb worn by Muslims throughout the world is rarely dictated by Islam, but is rather, a local cultural norm, and if you notice....isn't universal.
 
Havent been dirty nuked in our free society and porous borders yet.

There have been 20 averted terrorist attacks since 9/11 in the US. Just so you know.
 
Those classes should have shown you that the methods for conducting war are not designed by "civilian theorists".

I never mentioned methods of conducting any war. Nonetheless, you are entitled to your opinion that you know better than the president and pretty much everybody running the planet... when you don't even know what asymmetric warfare is.
 
There have been 20 averted terrorist attacks since 9/11 in the US. Just so you know.

Point failed, thered be more if you were committing the all-out dirty war you likely want.
 
I never mentioned methods of conducting any war. Nonetheless, you are entitled to your opinion that you know better than the president and pretty much everybody running the planet... when you don't even know what asymmetric warfare is.

I don't know what it is? Says who?

Who though is more qualified to fight a war...qualified, career soldiers and sailors or an elected official younger than most of those professionals have served?

But, I imagine...you know better.
 
Point failed, thered be more if you were committing the all-out dirty war you likely want.

lol.......I want us to pull out of there and let them fend for themselves. I want my brothers and sisters to come home.
 
But, I imagine...you know better.

Laws of most non-fascist states tend to have their armies in civilian control. KNock-KNock? This isnt my argument its the nature of things in modern society. Don't blame me if people don't 'get it'.

lol.......I want us to pull out of there and let them fend for themselves. I want my brothers and sisters to come home.

That's good i guess. I'm all for dithering.
 
Laws of most non-fascist states tend to have their armies in civilian control. KNock-KNock? This isnt my argument its the nature of things in modern society. Don't blame me if people don't 'get it'.

As it should be, that doesn't mean that civilians are determining how it's fought. They just set objectives....usually with absolutely no idea if they are obtainable.

That's good i guess. I'm all for dithering.

That doesn't make any sense.
 
As long as wearing the burka is spoken (supposedly by Allah) as a command, in the Koran, it will remain "dictated by Islam" until such time that this sura is removed by Islamic reformists.

"Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and all Muslim women to draw cloaks and veils all ovfer their bodies, (screening themselves completely except for one or two eyes to see the way). That will be better". Koran 33:59

Note that some translations of the Koran present a softer version which says "O prophet, tell your wives, your daughters, and the wives of the believers that they shall lengthen their garments. Thus, they will be recognized (as righteous women) and thus they will not be given trouble;" Other translations have still more different wording.

Bottom line is "proof is in the pudding" (in this case the burka). They are worn by millions of Muslim women all over the world, including here in the United States (although less common than in the Middle East). I hesitate to think that millions of women would wear a black covering all over themselves (especially in Middle Eastern desert countries where temperatures hit 130 degrees in mid-summer) if it wasn't being mandated. So which translation is correct ? Look at the women to find the answer ?

http://www.sott.net/image/image/6099/medium/burka.jpg
 
lol.......I want us to pull out of there and let them fend for themselves. I want my brothers and sisters to come home.

That would be be great IF it wouldn't result in Al Qaeda and the Afghan/Pakistani Taliban toppling the Pakistani government, and putting a dangerous nuclear arsenal in the hands of nutcase jihadists, upon whom the mutual deterrent of the cold war years doesn't quite apply (to people who think dying is a good thing). I'm not saying this would definitely happen, but it is a possibility, with high stakes. We just saw 2 Middle Eastern regimes fall (Mubarak & Ben Ali) already, and a few others are hanging in only by fiercely fighting off revolutionaries.
 
As long as wearing the burka is spoken (supposedly by Allah) as a command, in the Koran, it will remain "dictated by Islam" until such time that this sura is removed by Islamic reformists.

"Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and all Muslim women to draw cloaks and veils all ovfer their bodies, (screening themselves completely except for one or two eyes to see the way). That will be better". Koran 33:59

Note that some translations of the Koran present a softer version which says "O prophet, tell your wives, your daughters, and the wives of the believers that they shall lengthen their garments. Thus, they will be recognized (as righteous women) and thus they will not be given trouble;" Other translations have still more different wording.

Bottom line is "proof is in the pudding" (in this case the burka). They are worn by millions of Muslim women all over the world, including here in the United States (although less common than in the Middle East). I hesitate to think that millions of women would wear a black covering all over themselves (especially in Middle Eastern desert countries where temperatures hit 130 degrees in mid-summer) if it wasn't being mandated. So which translation is correct ? Look at the women to find the answer ?

http://www.sott.net/image/image/6099/medium/burka.jpg

And they are not worn by millions of other Muslims. It's local, not universal to the religion.

There are Christians that dance around in the woods and kiss snakes....does that mean we all do that?
 
As long as wearing the burka is spoken (supposedly by Allah) as a command, in the Koran, it will remain "dictated by Islam" until such time that this sura is removed by Islamic reformists.

"Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and all Muslim women to draw cloaks and veils all ovfer their bodies, (screening themselves completely except for one or two eyes to see the way). That will be better". Koran 33:59

Ive never seen that part about "(screening themselves completely except for one or two eyes to see the way). That will be better"

Is that a recent addition, and do you have a link to that recent alteration?
 
And they are not worn by millions of other Muslims. It's local, not universal to the religion.

There are Christians that dance around in the woods and kiss snakes....does that mean we all do that?

"mandated" is the key word here. Not who does or doesn't.
 
Ive never seen that part about "(screening themselves completely except for one or two eyes to see the way). That will be better"

Is that a recent addition, and do you have a link to that recent alteration?

It is onlyan "alteration" to those who think that the other translations are accurate and therefor ethe point of reference. It is also only an "addition" to them who think this translation is something knew. Actually, it has been around for centuries.

The translation that I presented here is in the book "They Must Be Stopped" by Brigitte Gabriel, also author of "Because They Hate", both NY Times bestsellers. Brigitte Gabrile is also President of Act for America, a native of Lebanon, and is fluent in Arabic, English, French, and Hebrew, and often offers transliterations of Koranic suras drom the original Arabic.

It also is in the book "Prophet of Doom" by Craig Winn. Winn, like Gabriel, has extensive knowledge of the Koran, of Jihad, and the Middle East in general. A description of his background, in Wikipedia, is quite unique (if not astounding) among researchers :

Craig Winn is an American author and former businessman. He has self-published five books, including several on terrorism and Islam. His longest book is called Yada Yahweh. Each of his books has been made available free on the internet.

After the events of September 11, Winn began a research project with colleague Ken Power to "uncover the roots of terrorism". They visited 120 countries and interviewed members of al-Qaeda, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Fatah, Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, Force 17, the Palestinian Authority, the Knesset, IDF, and US generals, as well as Israeli secret service agents in the Mossad and Shin Bet. The two published their findings in the novel Tea With Terrorists.

Winn has made numerous appearances in the media around the United States, including 1500 radio interviews by his own count. Some of the shows are made available on his website.[3] Winn has been interviewed by Business Week.BW Talk: The Spy Who Came In From...

His first book is titled Tea With Terrorists, co-written with Ken Power. This is a novel that purports to document an investigation of the motives of terrorists. Winn has also authored Prophet of Doom, which is a survey of Muhammad's life as derived from the Qur'an and Hadith.

According to Prophet of Doom and Tea With Terrorists, Islamic terrorists are inspired by the actions of Muhammad and the verses in the Qu'ran. Winn quotes extensively from the Qur'an and Hadith throughout his books.

He publishes a rendition of the verses of the Qur'an in Chronological order which was compiled by analyzing the material of Hadith. Winn worked with his team of researchers to compile a time line of Islamic terrorism.

Regarding terrorism in Islam, Winn argues that the cause is "not Osama Bin-Laden, not Al-Qaeda, not some radical fringe group of extremists, but Islam itself."
“ The critics of this work will claim that Prophet of Doom is offensive, racist, hatemongering, intolerant, and unnecessarily violent. I agree - but I didn't write those parts. They came directly from Islam’s scriptures. If you don't like what Muhammad and Allah said, don't blame me. I'm just the messenger. . .
One last thought before you head down this perilous path. I pray that when you have reached the journey’s end, you will share my heart for the plight of Muslims. I want nothing more than to free them from Islam, and in so doing, free us from the terror their doctrine inspires. „

—Winn, in a letter to the readers on the Prophet of Doom website
 
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One last thing about "I've never seen that part about... ". This is a thought that I hear about a thousand times a year, from lots of people. Main reason is because much of jihad (violent, or the non-violent Muslim Brotherhood version) isn't reported on the MSM.
I'd guess about 95% of what serious stuff has gone down in the US, in Stealth Jihad (mostly from the hundreds of Muslim Brotherhood front groups), has not been reported, except in certain web sites and books (which relatively few people read).

I sometimes give Islamapologists whom I debate, a quiz on the subject, just to see if they really are knowledgable, as they think they are. I've yet to see anyone of them get better than a 5% grade on it (most get zero).

So, yeah, there's a lot of "I've never seen" being spoken.
 
As long as wearing the burka is spoken (supposedly by Allah) as a command, in the Koran, it will remain "dictated by Islam" until such time that this sura is removed by Islamic reformists.

"Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and all Muslim women to draw cloaks and veils all ovfer their bodies, (screening themselves completely except for one or two eyes to see the way). That will be better". Koran 33:59

Note that some translations of the Koran present a softer version which says "O prophet, tell your wives, your daughters, and the wives of the believers that they shall lengthen their garments. Thus, they will be recognized (as righteous women) and thus they will not be given trouble;" Other translations have still more different wording.

Bottom line is "proof is in the pudding" (in this case the burka). They are worn by millions of Muslim women all over the world, including here in the United States (although less common than in the Middle East). I hesitate to think that millions of women would wear a black covering all over themselves (especially in Middle Eastern desert countries where temperatures hit 130 degrees in mid-summer) if it wasn't being mandated. So which translation is correct ? Look at the women to find the answer ?

http://www.sott.net/image/image/6099/medium/burka.jpg



are you aware of the difference between Burka and Hijab?

muslims aren't requesting the female soldiers wear a Burka. this thread is about female soldiers choosing to wear Hijab.
 
show me where that "key word" was used.

"I hesitate to think that millions of women would wear a black covering all over themselves (especially in Middle Eastern desert countries where temperatures hit 130 degrees in mid-summer) if it wasn't being mandated." Post # 287.
 
are you aware of the difference between Burka and Hijab?

muslims aren't requesting the female soldiers wear a Burka. this thread is about female soldiers choosing to wear Hijab.

The burka was mentioned in response to an earlier comment, not as the topic of the thread.
 
"I hesitate to think that millions of women would wear a black covering all over themselves (especially in Middle Eastern desert countries where temperatures hit 130 degrees in mid-summer) if it wasn't being mandated." Post # 287.

Ah, I thought you were trying to say that it is mandated by Islam.
 
Ah, I thought you were trying to say that it is mandated by Islam.

I said what I said. It appears that it is mandated by Islam. Is anyone trying to say that it isn't ?
 
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