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Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

Gardener said:
You are simply too stupid to recognize much of anything, that's all.


If your knee were ever to stop jerking in automatic defense of these practices, you might realize their actual nature.
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By all means, continue to hide behind a veil of faux intellectualism. It's what you do best. As a matter of fact, most of the time it's all you do.
 
theplaydrive said:
That have received threats, legal or otherwise, to make changes to laws and communities? That sounds more American than anything.
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So by Muslims making threats they are being more American? Are you American?

Well perhaps that is the ideal there but that's not necessarily the case in other countries.

The point is, most of the American population expects immigrants to adopt certain cultural norms and in fact, they are forced to (i.e. participating in democracy to get things done) - which is why after a few generations people assimilate.
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In four or fiive generations we'll all be dead. And who will have assimilated with whom?
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Grant said:
So by Muslims making threats they are being more American? Are you American?

Well perhaps that is the ideal there but that's not necessarily the case in other countries.
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In American politics, people make legal, financial and other threats all of the time to get what they want. That's why so many people hate politics. So yes it sounds pretty standard to me.

In four or fiive generations we'll all be dead. And who will have assimilated with whom?
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I don't know how to address this unrelated argument.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
By all means, continue to hide behind a veil of faux intellectualism. It's what you do best. As a matter of fact, most of the time it's all you do.
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My goodness, some bolded text. You make me feel so special.

I can only hope to be able to live up to your standards some day, so I, too, can show proper deference and respect to these systems that mutilate the genitalia of little girls so they can never enjoy sex, kill them for "honor", parade them about as if farm animals, and use them as if they were nothing more thn brood mares. What is wrong with me that I cannot see the obvious superiority of such a way of life!
 
theplaydrive said:
In American politics, people make legal, financial and other threats all of the time to get what they want. That's why so many people hate politics. So yes it sounds pretty standard to me.
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But that seems to contradict what you said about Muslims earlier and i pointed that out,
I don't know how to address this unrelated argument.
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You don't recall saying "The point is, most of the American population expects immigrants to adopt certain cultural norms and in fact, they are forced to (i.e. participating in democracy to get things done) - which is why after a few generations people assimilate".

Someone with amnesia has access to your user name.
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Grant said:
But that seems to contradict what you said about Muslims earlier and i pointed that out,


You don't recall saying "The point is, most of the American population expects immigrants to adopt certain cultural norms and in fact, they are forced to (i.e. participating in democracy to get things done) - which is why after a few generations people assimilate".

Someone with amnesia has access to your user name.
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This is what you said:
In four or fiive generations we'll all be dead. And who will have assimilated with whom?
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No, we won't be dead. I don't know how to address this unrelated argument.
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Gardener said:
I can only hope to be able to live up to your standards some day, so I, too, can show proper deference and respect to these systems that mutilate the genitalia of little girls so they can never enjoy sex, kill them for "honor", parade them about as if farm animals, and use them as if they were nothing more thn brood mares. What is wrong with me that I cannot see the obvious superiority of such a way of life!
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What I hope is that someday you stop being so shortsighted that you're able to tell the difference between showing a modicum of respect for someone you need to work with and honoring the things that they do which disgust you.

Failing that, I hope that someday you will at least figure out the difference between being disgusted with people who do that kind of thing and being disgusted with people who look like the people who do that kind of thing.
 
Our Catholic priest really let the women in the congregation have it one Sunday for not wearing a head covering.

He let me and my friend, Joey, have once for laughing at the old ladies in front of us.

I do notice people like Hilary Clinton wearing a head scarf when she is in that part of the world It just means you have respect.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
What I hope is that someday you stop being so shortsighted that you're able to tell the difference between showing a modicum of respect for someone you need to work with and honoring the things that they do which disgust you.

Failing that, I hope that someday you will at least figure out the difference between being disgusted with people who do that kind of thing and being disgusted with people who look like the people who do that kind of thing.
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"Look like" has never been the issue.

"Believe like" has always been the issue.
 
sazerac said:
Our Catholic priest really let the women in the congregation have it one Sunday for not wearing a head covering.

He let me and my friend, Joey, have once for laughing at the old ladies in front of us.

I do notice people like Hilary Clinton wearing a head scarf when she is in that part of the world It just means you have respect.
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That's a story that no one will believe, and on several levels.
 
Most of our servicewomen wore headscarves or at the very least kept their uniform hat on indoors when working with arabic civilians. They didnt need to be ordered...they found that the response was simply more positive. On a "give a ****" level...it didnt even register.
 
theplaydrive said:
You realize that we are on THEIR territory...When people come here, we expect them to respect our culture. When we go there, it's reasonable that others expect us to respect their culture...This isn't even that serious of an issue.
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Not to be a fly in the ointment here, but what exactly is 'our' culture? We are the "melting pot" and that in and of itself, makes it difficult to define a set American culture - don't you think?
 
theplaydrive said:
You realize that we are on THEIR territory...When people come here, we expect them to respect our culture. When we go there, it's reasonable that others expect us to respect their culture...This isn't even that serious of an issue.
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There is nothing to respect about the Afghanistan culture when it comes to their treatment of women.
 
TheGirlNextDoor said:
Not to be a fly in the ointment here, but what exactly is 'our' culture? We are the "melting pot" and that in and of itself, makes it difficult to define a set American culture - don't you think?
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Not at all, if you spend any significant amount of time outside of America, anywhere outside of America, American culture (and our sub-cultures) will become all that more definable to you. We are diverse, most assuredly, but we are all Americans.
 
mac said:
Not at all, if you spend any significant amount of time outside of America, anywhere outside of America, American culture (and our sub-cultures) will become all that more definable to you. We are diverse, most assuredly, but we are all Americans.
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True. But what is definable as being an "American" culture. What sorts of things do we do, that we would expect foreigners to adapt to if visiting the U.S.?
 
Bruce said:
Funny spelling and driving on the wrong side of the road. :mrgreen:
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:lol: Yes, that could be an issue in rush hour traffic.
 
TheGirlNextDoor said:
Not to be a fly in the ointment here, but what exactly is 'our' culture? We are the "melting pot" and that in and of itself, makes it difficult to define a set American culture - don't you think?
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Speaking English, wearing certain types of clothing, reaching a certain level of education, participating in democracy to get things done, etc. are all parts of American culture. We don't force people to do any of the three, but we certainly expect people to abide by them and alienate them if they don't. Yes, part of our culture is accepting different cultures (the melting pot) and this in itself is something else we expect immigrants to respect.

A lot of the things people do elsewhere in the world would not be welcome here.
 
WI Crippler said:
There is nothing to respect about the Afghanistan culture when it comes to their treatment of women.
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I'm taking Afghanistan culture to mean a certain type of Islamic culture - of which varying types exist in Afghanistan.

I went to college with many female Muslims and they would disagree. You could say the same about Christianity and specifically Catholicism, but it all depends on how you interpret the religious texts and ideas.

Edit: After the fall of the Taliban, the conditions of women in Afghanistan have improved a lot.
 
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theplaydrive said:
I'm taking Afghanistan culture to mean a certain type of Islamic culture - of which varying types exist in Afghanistan.

I went to college with many female Muslims and they would disagree. You could say the same about Christianity and specifically Catholicism, but it all depends on how you interpret the religious texts and ideas.

Edit: After the fall of the Taliban, the conditions of women in Afghanistan have improved a lot.
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People should essentially be free to choose to participate in cultural traditions, if we are to believe in humanitarian ideals. Yes, things have gotten better for women since the fall of the Taliban, but there really wasn't any other direction to go but up. Educating women, and freeing them is the key to ME moderation. If women over there choose to cover themselves according to the traditions they embrace, so be it. I do not care if they do. Its the treatment of women who do not want to cover themselves that concerns me.
 
WI Crippler said:
People should essentially be free to choose to participate in cultural traditions, if we are to believe in humanitarian ideals. Yes, things have gotten better for women since the fall of the Taliban, but there really wasn't any other direction to go but up. Educating women, and freeing them is the key to ME moderation. If women over there choose to cover themselves according to the traditions they embrace, so be it. I do not care if they do. Its the treatment of women who do not want to cover themselves that concerns me.
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I agree with all of this.
 
The status of women in Afghanistan is still deplorable, the little improvement being limited mostly to urban areas, and is only slightly improved overall from that when the Taliban was in control.

Idealogues who have predetermined that they must act as apologists any time the issue is that of human rights in the Islamic might try to paint a rosy picture, but they only do so to try to assuage their sense of guilt over the realization they talk out of both sides of their mouth where human rights are concerned. They advocate one set of human rights when concerning us, but look the other way when concerning them. It is nothing but hypocrisy of the highest order and while it may masquerade as a "liberal" characteristic, all it really represents is a slavish dogmatism where p.c. conformity has replaced any actual concern for liberal values.
 
I've got an idea... Lets bring all our troops home so they can dress like Americans and be with their families!! Then the peaceful Afghan people can go back to running their country the way they always have and not have to worry about how to blow up the none hijab wearing American woman. I'm just brain storming here though.
 
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