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Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

Depends on the situation. If a female soldier is, for example, hobnobbing with youngsters in a school classroom, then such a farce may be beneficial in a superficial way. But out in the suck, screw the frigging hijab nonsense.
 
Many US soldiers (especially spec ops) have been growing beards to gain the trust of the local populace.

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This isn't a one way street issue.

Besides the article specifically says "encouraged" not "required".
 
cpgrad08 said:
I though Democracy started in Europe after there Monarchs were remove form power? Did I miss something?
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Oooooooor they were constitutionally marginalized in the cases of Spain, United Kingdom, Sweden, Norway etc.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Yep, and remind me when democracy finally sprouted? Waaaaay after people shed their tribal identities.
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No they didn't, the tribes just got a little bigger....we'll call em kingdoms...
 
Jetboogieman said:
Many US soldiers (especially spec ops) have been growing beards to gain the trust of the local populace.

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This isn't a one way street issue.

Besides the article specifically says "encouraged" not "required".
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Obviously some women don't mind it - I don't see how that's a problem.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Many US soldiers (especially spec ops) have been growing beards to gain the trust of the local populace.

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This isn't a one way street issue.

Besides the article specifically says "encouraged" not "required".
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Yes, special ops is different, even the article says that. Find me a pic of a soldier on patrol in full uniform with a full beard and you might have a point, because it's those soldiers we're talking about.

The article also says "encouraged" is as good as an order.

Oh and BTW, I don't believe a beard is a sign of subjectation.
 
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I see that it's still in vogue to respond to anyone who recommends minor adjustments to our behavior in the interests of getting along with a culture very different than our own with flag-waving, ball-scratching, and belching.

I'm glad that America continues to be a bastion of maturity as much as it is a beacon of freedom.
 
X Factor said:
Yes, special ops is different, even the article says that. Find me a pic of a soldier on patrol in full uniform with a full beard and you might have a point, because it's those soldiers we're talking about.

The article also says "encouraged" is as good as an order.

Oh and BTW, I don't believe a beard is a sign of subjectation.
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It depends on the individual I guess. I hate facial hair in general. If I were made to wear a beard I'd fkin go crazy.
 
StillBallin75 said:
It depends on the individual I guess. I hate facial hair in general. If I were made to wear a beard I'd fkin go crazy.
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Don't join the Green Berets then. :mrgreen:

Oh, and the word I was going for was "subjugation". Is "subjectation" even a word?
 
X Factor said:
Don't join the Green Berets then. :mrgreen:

Oh, and the word I was going for was "subjugation". Is "subjectation" even a word?
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I'm not sure but I understood what you meant, so good enough for me lol. Was there a squiggly red line under it?
 
X Factor said:
Yes, special ops is different, even the article says that. Find me a pic of a soldier on patrol in full uniform with a full beard and you might have a point, because it's those soldiers we're talking about.

The article also says "encouraged" is as good as an order.

Oh and BTW, I don't believe a beard is a sign of subjectation.
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What dress means is subject to context, just like anything else. In the case of wearing a Hajib type thing for women over there, it is not a sign of being subjugated, but a sign of an attempt to respect the culture. All troops overseas are taught that they are ambassadors for the US, and to respect the culture. When I was in the navy, before every port call we would have to watch a deal on ship's TV going over the places not to go, and things to do and not do in order to avoid annoying the locals. It is part of being a soldier or sailor.
 
Redress said:
What dress means is subject to context, just like anything else. In the case of wearing a Hajib type thing for women over there, it is not a sign of being subjugated, but a sign of an attempt to respect the culture. All troops overseas are taught that they are ambassadors for the US, and to respect the culture. When I was in the navy, before every port call we would have to watch a deal on ship's TV going over the places not to go, and things to do and not do in order to avoid annoying the locals. It is part of being a soldier or sailor.
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Well said, and as a 22 year Sailor..I can verify the accuracy of your statement.
 
Redress said:
What dress means is subject to context, just like anything else. In the case of wearing a Hajib type thing for women over there, it is not a sign of being subjugated, but a sign of an attempt to respect the culture. All troops overseas are taught that they are ambassadors for the US, and to respect the culture. When I was in the navy, before every port call we would have to watch a deal on ship's TV going over the places not to go, and things to do and not do in order to avoid annoying the locals. It is part of being a soldier or sailor.
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Uh huh, and as a sailor, where you ever asked to actually alter your uniform? I thought military uniforms were strictly regulated. Is that not the case?

Wearing a hijab may not always mean subjugation of women, but you can't say that it never does. Is everything worthy of respect simply because it's a cultural practice?

Some Muslims believe hijab covering for women should be compulsory as part of sharia, i.e. Muslim law. Wearing of the hijab was enforced by the Taliban regime in Afghanistan, and is enforced in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and in the Islamic Republic of Iran. The Islamic Emirate required women to cover not only their head but their face as well, because "the face of a woman is a source of corruption" for men not related to them.[25] While some women wholeheartedly embrace the rules, others protest by observing the rules in an inconsistent fashion, or flouting them whenever possible. Sudan's criminal code allows the flogging or fining of anyone who “violates public morality or wears indecent clothing”, albeit without defining "indecent clothing",

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According to journalist Jane Kramer, in France, veiling among school girls became increasingly common following the terrorist attacks of 11 September 2001, due to coercion by "fathers and uncles and brothers and even their male classmates" of the school girls. "Girls who did not conform were excoriated, or chased, or beaten by fanatical young men meting out Islamic justice."[32] According to the American magazine The Weekly Standard, a survey conducted in France in May 2003 reportedly "found that 77% of girls wearing the hijab said they did so because of physical threats from Islamist groups."[33]
In Srinagar, India in 2001 an "acid attack on four young Muslim women ... by an unknown militant outfit [was followed by] swift compliance by women of all ages on the issue of wearing the chadar (head-dress) in public."[34][35][36]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab
 
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X Factor said:
Wearing a hijab may not always mean subjugation of women, but you can't say that it never does. Is everything worthy of respect simply because it's a cultural practice?
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Do you seriously expect me to believe that it would mean subjugation if a female soldier in the United States military wore one out of respect -- whether she did it because she was ordered to or because she felt it was appropriate to?

When you have the ability, or belong to an organization that has the ability to wipe an entire civilization off the face of the map forever, it's called being polite.
 
X Factor said:
Uh huh, and as a sailor, where you ever asked to actually alter your uniform? I thought military uniforms were strictly regulated. Is that not the case?
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There where times when we were not allowed to wear our uniform on liberty(not that we particularly wanted to), and times when we would modify when we went covered.

Wearing a hijab may not always mean subjugation of women, but you can't say that it never does. Is everything worthy of respect simply because it's a cultural practice?
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Never claimed it never meant that, just that in this context it does not.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Do you seriously expect me to believe that it would mean subjugation if a female soldier in the United States military wore one out of respect -- whether she did it because she was ordered to or because she felt it was appropriate to?

When you have the ability, or belong to an organization that has the ability to wipe an entire civilization off the face of the map forever, it's called being polite.
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Speaking of believing things, do you still disbelieve that that reporter was kept in the closet at the Biden fundraiser? I know that's off topic here, but you, oddly, never went back to that thread after Biden's spokeswoman apologized for it. LOL
 
X Factor said:
Speaking of believing things, do you still disbelieve that that reporter was kept in the closet at the Biden fundraiser? I know that's off topic here, but you, oddly, never went back to that thread after Biden's spokeswoman apologized for it. LOL
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In other words, when I point out the absurdity of your question, you've got no retort.


TED,
Leaves threads when he gets disgusted with the participants, not because he's all out of argument.
 
I see no issue with this.

British and American Soldiers should do everything possible to respect their culture.
Makes sense to try and bridge a cultural gap which would in turn increase trust :shrug:
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
In other words, when I point out the absurdity of your question, you've got no retort.
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My question was whether something should be respected just because it's cultural. Is that an absurd question?


TED,
Leaves threads when he gets disgusted with the participants, not because he's all out of argument.
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Really? Because it looked like TED left right about the time he was definitively proven wrong.
 
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To the topic, and not each other. Thank you.
 
X Factor said:
My question was whether something should be respected just because it's cultural. Is that an absurd question?
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I was very clearly addressing your comment, "Wearing a hijab may not always mean subjugation of women, but you can't say that it never does." Please address what I said in the context which I said it.

X Factor said:
Really? Because it looked like TED left right about the time he was definitively proven wrong.
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You can knock it off with the misdirection anytime now. Unless, of course, you're all out of argument on the subject. :mrgreen:
 
X Factor said:
My question was whether something should be respected just because it's cultural. Is that an absurd question?
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It's not an absurd question, but I think a flawed one. I do not respect muslim beliefs personally, while respecting the right of countries like Afghanistan to choose their beliefs. Trying to do little things to fit in and be more accepted by the locals is not the same thing as saying "I think your beliefs are great".

Further, the importance of things like this cannot be overstated. If the populace has a positive opinion of our troops, it makes the job over there just a little bit easier. And that is part of a soldiers job. This is not an affirmation of Muslim beliefs.
 
Laila said:
I see no issue with this.

British and American Soldiers should do everything possible to respect their culture.
Makes sense to try and bridge a cultural gap which would in turn increase trust :shrug:
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Nah, **** trust, let's just turn the country into a parking lot and build a military base on it.
 
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