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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Many US soldiers (especially spec ops) have been growing beards to gain the trust of the local populace.



    This isn't a one way street issue.

    Besides the article specifically says "encouraged" not "required".
    Yes, special ops is different, even the article says that. Find me a pic of a soldier on patrol in full uniform with a full beard and you might have a point, because it's those soldiers we're talking about.

    The article also says "encouraged" is as good as an order.

    Oh and BTW, I don't believe a beard is a sign of subjectation.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    I see that it's still in vogue to respond to anyone who recommends minor adjustments to our behavior in the interests of getting along with a culture very different than our own with flag-waving, ball-scratching, and belching.

    I'm glad that America continues to be a bastion of maturity as much as it is a beacon of freedom.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Yes, special ops is different, even the article says that. Find me a pic of a soldier on patrol in full uniform with a full beard and you might have a point, because it's those soldiers we're talking about.

    The article also says "encouraged" is as good as an order.

    Oh and BTW, I don't believe a beard is a sign of subjectation.
    It depends on the individual I guess. I hate facial hair in general. If I were made to wear a beard I'd fkin go crazy.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    It depends on the individual I guess. I hate facial hair in general. If I were made to wear a beard I'd fkin go crazy.
    Don't join the Green Berets then.

    Oh, and the word I was going for was "subjugation". Is "subjectation" even a word?
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Don't join the Green Berets then.

    Oh, and the word I was going for was "subjugation". Is "subjectation" even a word?
    I'm not sure but I understood what you meant, so good enough for me lol. Was there a squiggly red line under it?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Don't join the Green Berets then.

    Oh, and the word I was going for was "subjugation". Is "subjectation" even a word?
    Yeah, sure it is - Urban Dictionary: subjectation t-shirts, mugs and magnets



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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yeah, sure it is - Urban Dictionary: subjectation t-shirts, mugs and magnets



    Seriously - I'm surprised something came back when I googled it. I like the Steine - that's cool.
    Excellent. Not only is it a word, it's a t-shirt.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Yes, special ops is different, even the article says that. Find me a pic of a soldier on patrol in full uniform with a full beard and you might have a point, because it's those soldiers we're talking about.

    The article also says "encouraged" is as good as an order.

    Oh and BTW, I don't believe a beard is a sign of subjectation.
    What dress means is subject to context, just like anything else. In the case of wearing a Hajib type thing for women over there, it is not a sign of being subjugated, but a sign of an attempt to respect the culture. All troops overseas are taught that they are ambassadors for the US, and to respect the culture. When I was in the navy, before every port call we would have to watch a deal on ship's TV going over the places not to go, and things to do and not do in order to avoid annoying the locals. It is part of being a soldier or sailor.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    What dress means is subject to context, just like anything else. In the case of wearing a Hajib type thing for women over there, it is not a sign of being subjugated, but a sign of an attempt to respect the culture. All troops overseas are taught that they are ambassadors for the US, and to respect the culture. When I was in the navy, before every port call we would have to watch a deal on ship's TV going over the places not to go, and things to do and not do in order to avoid annoying the locals. It is part of being a soldier or sailor.
    Well said, and as a 22 year Sailor..I can verify the accuracy of your statement.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    What dress means is subject to context, just like anything else. In the case of wearing a Hajib type thing for women over there, it is not a sign of being subjugated, but a sign of an attempt to respect the culture. All troops overseas are taught that they are ambassadors for the US, and to respect the culture. When I was in the navy, before every port call we would have to watch a deal on ship's TV going over the places not to go, and things to do and not do in order to avoid annoying the locals. It is part of being a soldier or sailor.
    Uh huh, and as a sailor, where you ever asked to actually alter your uniform? I thought military uniforms were strictly regulated. Is that not the case?

    Wearing a hijab may not always mean subjugation of women, but you can't say that it never does. Is everything worthy of respect simply because it's a cultural practice?

    Some Muslims believe hijab covering for women should be compulsory as part of sharia, i.e. Muslim law. Wearing of the hijab was enforced by the Taliban regime in Afghanistan, and is enforced in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and in the Islamic Republic of Iran. The Islamic Emirate required women to cover not only their head but their face as well, because "the face of a woman is a source of corruption" for men not related to them.[25] While some women wholeheartedly embrace the rules, others protest by observing the rules in an inconsistent fashion, or flouting them whenever possible. Sudan's criminal code allows the flogging or fining of anyone who “violates public morality or wears indecent clothing”, albeit without defining "indecent clothing",

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    According to journalist Jane Kramer, in France, veiling among school girls became increasingly common following the terrorist attacks of 11 September 2001, due to coercion by "fathers and uncles and brothers and even their male classmates" of the school girls. "Girls who did not conform were excoriated, or chased, or beaten by fanatical young men meting out Islamic justice."[32] According to the American magazine The Weekly Standard, a survey conducted in France in May 2003 reportedly "found that 77% of girls wearing the hijab said they did so because of physical threats from Islamist groups."[33]
    In Srinagar, India in 2001 an "acid attack on four young Muslim women ... by an unknown militant outfit [was followed by] swift compliance by women of all ages on the issue of wearing the chadar (head-dress) in public."[34][35][36]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab
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