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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    It makes sense logically. The thing is, if people take issue with being ordered (let alone suggested) to do things they might not like or personally disagree with, then they shouldn't be in the military, as guess what? Sometimes you have to do **** that you don't like. I don't see this as being radically out there, as our objective isn't the same as it is in standard warfare.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    You're not accurate.
    I hate agreeing with Gardener and disagreeing with you here mac, but he does have a point.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    It's not that I don't understand that, I just find it interesting which principles people are willing to compromise. I'm going to use an argument I hear all the time in the abortion debate, if it were the guys who wore the hijab, would we expect our military men to do it?
    Compromise?

    If someone doesn't have a problem with it - or sees it possitive -then they'll consider doing it.

    If they have a problem then they won't.

    Hardly a compromise.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Or, we can just kill off all the assholes. Problem solved.
    Translation: kill the whole country.

    Anyways, I wont rest until we turn their daughters into britney spears sluts and theyre listening to rock n roll.

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Well hell, why not do away with all military uniforms and weapons? I'm sure the locals would be a lot more comfortable if none of our soldiers had either of those things.
    Not everyone who's over there and helping is in uniform or toting a weapon.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Not everyone who's over there and helping is in uniform or toting a weapon.
    I didnt realise anything anyone was doing there was helping at all.

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    I didnt realise anything anyone was doing there was helping at all.
    Well then I guess all you're paying attention to is the depressing wartime situations.

    We're providing humanitarian aid, trying to solidify things so they can provide a more solid future for their children. Food securities, safer employment, adequate transportation, and improved medical and educational services.

    We always provide these things when we are engaged in a country - it is rare for us to engage in a country and not try to help the people out. we're not fighting the Afghanistani people. We are fighting the regime that's roosting in their mountains.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well then I guess all you're paying attention to is the depressing wartime situations.

    We're providing humanitarian aid, trying to solidify things so they can provide a more solid future for their children. Food securities, safer employment, adequate transportation, and improved medical and educational services.

    We always provide these things when we are engaged in a country - it is rare for us to engage in a country and not try to help the people out. we're not fighting the Afghanistani people. We are fighting the regime that's roosting in their mountains.
    Regimes don't roost in mountains. You keep keeping them solid and secure with solid futures and applying government and economic models that don't fit there in any way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I hate agreeing with Gardener and disagreeing with you here mac, but he does have a point.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Remember the European 1000 years of war?
    Yep, and remind me when democracy finally sprouted? Waaaaay after people shed their tribal identities.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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