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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    Female U.S. soldiers are being “encouraged” to wear headscarves in Afghanistan in an effort to get closer to the locals, according to The Daily Caller.

    Major Kyndra Rotunda, the executive director of the Military Law and Policy Institute, says that being “encouraged” to do something in the military is tantamount to being “ordered” to do it, putting the servicewomen in a touchy situation.


    Sensitivity Training? Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab | The Blaze

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshabar View Post
    If the commanders on the ground over there are following the same protocol that got the Fort Hood soldiers killed by Major Hasan, they don't know much.
    Sorry Marsha, I'm not sure what wearing headscarves in Afghanistan has anything to do with Fort Hood and Major Hasan.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

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    We are fighting a war, I don't give a rats a** about Muslim "senstivities".
    That's not even half of it. If we were just fighting a war, we would be killing nonstop in Afghanistan. What we are doing is creating a future for the country, and destroying the source of terrorism, which is ignorance. Everyone fighting against this is to a greater or lesser extent ignorant, even on our side.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

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    We're trying to create a pro-western democracy in a stone-age part of the world. You don't do that.

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Our goal, there, is to rid their country of the 'bad people' and to help create an environment that the 'good' people can thrive in.

    Because of centuries of cultural values - they believe that women should be covered. Men support, further and encourage this - so do women. Not all - not all men, not all women. But enough for it to be 'the norm.'

    that's not saying the women LIKE it or AGREE with it - but in order to provide more help (since that's what we're all about) to them then I don't see the *harm* in wearing such as long as it's a personal *choice* - which it is.

    Feminism as we know it is NOT a simple thing - our own country had to go through a lot of changes to make it accepted and there are still many issues concerning how women are thought of and treated in our own country.

    Look around - we are still a heavily gendered society in the US. How is a woman who wears a suit and tie treated and accepted? Some of this will never change. To ignore that it's there or brush it off completely is to make small plight over what is a very big deal to women in such cultures.

    Cultural-awareness is part of the training that soldiers are given. Men are instructed how to ideally behave as well - not just women. I'ts not *required* of anyone to follow advise - but it wouldn't hurt sometimes for individuals to try to connect with the people that we are helping.

    A large part of our problem in this area within Iraq WAS because of our cultural differences - our soldiers would deliver food and water to small villages and it would never be accepted out of a fear and sense of alienation and fear. If we're going to *help* - we need to help.

    But am I going to hold it against women for not wanting to wear it? No.

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Mind detailing, comprehensively, what exact protocol caused those soldiers to be killed in Ft. Hood?
    Go read the report, it's pretty damned damning. And very much ignored.

    You can find it here: Senate report on Fort Hood massacre critical of FBI, Army | wfaa.com | Home Page

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    On an ethical level, it pisses me off to ask anyone to kowtow to sexist bull**** like muffling women up. However, our "goal" in Afghanistan requires it. If you really want to play the nation building game, these are the kinds of moves you have to make.

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshabar View Post
    Go read the report, it's pretty damned damning. And very much ignored.

    You can find it here: Senate report on Fort Hood massacre critical of FBI, Army | wfaa.com | Home Page
    How does this relate to Islamic culture? Your link explained how the military failed to connect the dots, not that they were trying to adapt Muslim culture into our military, and it backfired or something.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshabar View Post
    Go read the report, it's pretty damned damning. And very much ignored.

    You can find it here: Senate report on Fort Hood massacre critical of FBI, Army | wfaa.com | Home Page
    I read the report when it came out.

    You have ignored my question completely.

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