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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    No, I asked him if he was Black , I don't expect you to understand any other meaning than the one you took from it

    You pretty much just have to deal with it.

    You go try and "win the hearts and minds" over there....
    Yeah, and you also called him a racist. If you can't even admit that I'd like to have some of what you're smoking.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    (smile) Never uttered Racist, did I?
    yes, you did.

    Mac has a chip on his shoulder the size of Texas....not my problem.
    well, I do have a problem with people that have no understanding of tactics or afghanistan second guessing those that do.

    What he doesn't like is that I don't buy into his bullsh**.
    nope, that ain't it, wal-mart.

    You don't win wars by being nice, hence OUR proble since WWII...it's a historical fact kids...sorry.
    you win wars by doing whats necessary. sometimes respecting the indigenous culture helps.

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    Says you

    You don't like Walmart....you believe in Obama........you are Black aren't you?

    Normally that wouldn't matter, but you are a died in the wool racist
    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    (smile) Never uttered Racist, did I?

    Mac has a chip on his shoulder the size of Texas....not my problem.

    What he doesn't like is that I don't buy into his bullsh**.

    You don't win wars by being nice, hence OUR proble since WWII...it's a historical fact kids...sorry.
    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    You are free to think anything you want, I don't really care

    He has a chip reserved for those who have a fairness "grudge".

    Mac has bought the lie, I haven't.

    It's pretty simple.
    you really should keep track of what you say. put a smiley on that, wal-mart.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    If we show that our women are just as subservient as theirs in order to win their hearts and minds, what have we really won?

    I'd also like to ask why so many who adopt the attitude "when in Rome" in order to support this institutionalized misogyny are the first to demand that we accommodate the same sensibilities by bending over backwards when the roles are reversed? I guess they feel our culture is so inferior that we must defer to theirs either way.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Now we are fighting insurgents and their recruits. the goal is to make recruitment among locals more difficult by getting the locals to see us as liberators rather than occupiers. Our female soldiers obviously understand that or they wouldn't be wearing them. Noone has been ordered to wear them, afterall.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    If we show that our women are just as subservient as theirs in order to win their hearts and minds, what have we really won?

    I'd also like to ask why so many who adopt the attitude "when in Rome" in order to support this institutionalized misogyny are the first to demand that we accommodate the same sensibilities by bending over backwards when the roles are reversed? I guess they feel our culture is so inferior that we must defer to theirs either way.
    I think I touched on this before, Gardener. I'm saying it's because we are fighting a war, which isn't the same as Afghans just assimilating Westerners into their culture.

    And even in America, I think there should be a balance between promoting Western values/culture and engaging in pluralism. I don't see it as "bending over backwards." I'm saying because we live in a multicultural and pluralistic society that different practices should be given leeway, within certain bounds.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    you really should keep track of what you say. put a smiley on that, wal-mart.
    LOL, nice one Mac. Wonder if we'll see him in this thread again.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

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    LOL, nice one Mac. Wonder if we'll see him in this thread again.
    oh...I'm sure we will. How did Forrest put it?..............
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    oh...I'm sure we will. How did Forrest put it?..............
    I kinda hope so, I'd like to see him explain how calling you a "dyed in the wool racist" is somehow not uttering the word "racist".
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I kinda hope so, I'd like to see him explain how calling you a "dyed in the wool racist" is somehow not uttering the word "racist".
    already tried to get him to explain himself...he wouldn't budge, just stuck his fingers in his ears and said "that's just what you think" LOL.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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