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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    And they are not worn by millions of other Muslims. It's local, not universal to the religion.

    There are Christians that dance around in the woods and kiss snakes....does that mean we all do that?
    "mandated" is the key word here. Not who does or doesn't.

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

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    Ive never seen that part about "(screening themselves completely except for one or two eyes to see the way). That will be better"

    Is that a recent addition, and do you have a link to that recent alteration?
    It is onlyan "alteration" to those who think that the other translations are accurate and therefor ethe point of reference. It is also only an "addition" to them who think this translation is something knew. Actually, it has been around for centuries.

    The translation that I presented here is in the book "They Must Be Stopped" by Brigitte Gabriel, also author of "Because They Hate", both NY Times bestsellers. Brigitte Gabrile is also President of Act for America, a native of Lebanon, and is fluent in Arabic, English, French, and Hebrew, and often offers transliterations of Koranic suras drom the original Arabic.

    It also is in the book "Prophet of Doom" by Craig Winn. Winn, like Gabriel, has extensive knowledge of the Koran, of Jihad, and the Middle East in general. A description of his background, in Wikipedia, is quite unique (if not astounding) among researchers :

    Craig Winn is an American author and former businessman. He has self-published five books, including several on terrorism and Islam. His longest book is called Yada Yahweh. Each of his books has been made available free on the internet.

    After the events of September 11, Winn began a research project with colleague Ken Power to "uncover the roots of terrorism". They visited 120 countries and interviewed members of al-Qaeda, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Fatah, Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, Force 17, the Palestinian Authority, the Knesset, IDF, and US generals, as well as Israeli secret service agents in the Mossad and Shin Bet. The two published their findings in the novel Tea With Terrorists.

    Winn has made numerous appearances in the media around the United States, including 1500 radio interviews by his own count. Some of the shows are made available on his website.[3] Winn has been interviewed by Business Week.BW Talk: The Spy Who Came In From...

    His first book is titled Tea With Terrorists, co-written with Ken Power. This is a novel that purports to document an investigation of the motives of terrorists. Winn has also authored Prophet of Doom, which is a survey of Muhammad's life as derived from the Qur'an and Hadith.

    According to Prophet of Doom and Tea With Terrorists, Islamic terrorists are inspired by the actions of Muhammad and the verses in the Qu'ran. Winn quotes extensively from the Qur'an and Hadith throughout his books.

    He publishes a rendition of the verses of the Qur'an in Chronological order which was compiled by analyzing the material of Hadith. Winn worked with his team of researchers to compile a time line of Islamic terrorism.

    Regarding terrorism in Islam, Winn argues that the cause is "not Osama Bin-Laden, not Al-Qaeda, not some radical fringe group of extremists, but Islam itself."
    “ The critics of this work will claim that Prophet of Doom is offensive, racist, hatemongering, intolerant, and unnecessarily violent. I agree - but I didn't write those parts. They came directly from Islam’s scriptures. If you don't like what Muhammad and Allah said, don't blame me. I'm just the messenger. . .
    One last thought before you head down this perilous path. I pray that when you have reached the journey’s end, you will share my heart for the plight of Muslims. I want nothing more than to free them from Islam, and in so doing, free us from the terror their doctrine inspires. „

    —Winn, in a letter to the readers on the Prophet of Doom website
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    One last thing about "I've never seen that part about... ". This is a thought that I hear about a thousand times a year, from lots of people. Main reason is because much of jihad (violent, or the non-violent Muslim Brotherhood version) isn't reported on the MSM.
    I'd guess about 95% of what serious stuff has gone down in the US, in Stealth Jihad (mostly from the hundreds of Muslim Brotherhood front groups), has not been reported, except in certain web sites and books (which relatively few people read).

    I sometimes give Islamapologists whom I debate, a quiz on the subject, just to see if they really are knowledgable, as they think they are. I've yet to see anyone of them get better than a 5% grade on it (most get zero).

    So, yeah, there's a lot of "I've never seen" being spoken.

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by Scanner View Post
    "mandated" is the key word here. Not who does or doesn't.
    show me where that "key word" was used.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by Scanner View Post
    As long as wearing the burka is spoken (supposedly by Allah) as a command, in the Koran, it will remain "dictated by Islam" until such time that this sura is removed by Islamic reformists.

    "Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and all Muslim women to draw cloaks and veils all ovfer their bodies, (screening themselves completely except for one or two eyes to see the way). That will be better". Koran 33:59

    Note that some translations of the Koran present a softer version which says "O prophet, tell your wives, your daughters, and the wives of the believers that they shall lengthen their garments. Thus, they will be recognized (as righteous women) and thus they will not be given trouble;" Other translations have still more different wording.

    Bottom line is "proof is in the pudding" (in this case the burka). They are worn by millions of Muslim women all over the world, including here in the United States (although less common than in the Middle East). I hesitate to think that millions of women would wear a black covering all over themselves (especially in Middle Eastern desert countries where temperatures hit 130 degrees in mid-summer) if it wasn't being mandated. So which translation is correct ? Look at the women to find the answer ?

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    are you aware of the difference between Burka and Hijab?

    muslims aren't requesting the female soldiers wear a Burka. this thread is about female soldiers choosing to wear Hijab.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    This would be funny except you've been doing it for a couple of weeks.

    Anybody I served with would have fragged you mac

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    show me where that "key word" was used.
    "I hesitate to think that millions of women would wear a black covering all over themselves (especially in Middle Eastern desert countries where temperatures hit 130 degrees in mid-summer) if it wasn't being mandated." Post # 287.

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    are you aware of the difference between Burka and Hijab?

    muslims aren't requesting the female soldiers wear a Burka. this thread is about female soldiers choosing to wear Hijab.
    The burka was mentioned in response to an earlier comment, not as the topic of the thread.

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by Scanner View Post
    "I hesitate to think that millions of women would wear a black covering all over themselves (especially in Middle Eastern desert countries where temperatures hit 130 degrees in mid-summer) if it wasn't being mandated." Post # 287.
    Ah, I thought you were trying to say that it is mandated by Islam.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Ah, I thought you were trying to say that it is mandated by Islam.
    I said what I said. It appears that it is mandated by Islam. Is anyone trying to say that it isn't ?

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