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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No, that's not quite true.

    When Muslims arrive in western societies they often expect to carry on with their traditions, and those who might questions some of these traditions are frequently called "bigots".

    Would Muslims be called "bigots" if they insisted foreigner women cover their heads?

    I suspect not.
    Correction: When Muslims arrive in western societies they often expect to carry on with their traditions, within certain boundaries dictated by western culture.

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Correction: When Muslims arrive in western societies they often expect to carry on with their traditions, within certain boundaries dictated by western culture.
    No, not always. Separate swimming pools are just one of the many demands islamic immigrants often make.

    But the point is that people should be able to wear whatever they want that is within public decency laws and not wear anything they don't choose to if it is not part of their religion.

    It is no more correct for a Muslim to force a head scarf on a woman than for a Jew to force me to wear the star of David, or a Christian forcing me to wear a cross. We should ignore such religious laws or customs whenever possible in order to encourage liberty from religion and more tolerance toward everyone.

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No, not always. Separate swimming pools are just one of the many demands islamic immigrants often make.

    But the point is that people should be able to wear whatever they want that is within public decency laws and not wear anything they don't choose to if it is not part of their religion.

    It is no more correct for a Muslim to force a head scarf on a woman than for a Jew to force me to wear the star of David, or a Christian forcing me to wear a cross. We should ignore such religious laws or customs whenever possible in order to encourage liberty from religion and more tolerance toward everyone.
    Has that happened with Muslim immigrants in America? Is anyone actually being forced to wear something they don't want to? I don't know the answer, just curious.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No, not always. Separate swimming pools are just one of the many demands islamic immigrants often make.

    But the point is that people should be able to wear whatever they want that is within public decency laws and not wear anything they don't choose to if it is not part of their religion.

    It is no more correct for a Muslim to force a head scarf on a woman than for a Jew to force me to wear the star of David, or a Christian forcing me to wear a cross. We should ignore such religious laws or customs whenever possible in order to encourage liberty from religion and more tolerance toward everyone.
    If by demand in the U.S., you mean they go through political processes to make it happen in the same way the rest of us do, then yes. No Muslims are forcing anyone to separate swimming pools. If separate swimming pools happen in the U.S., they happen because the community has agreed to make it happen.

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Are you actually saying that women are chattel?
    In other words, yes you are comparing those two things and you're too much of a coward to own it.

    ... and no, I don't think I've posted or even thought anything approaching that women are chattel.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by Binky View Post
    I'm sorry, but we are in a war. And in a war, sensitivies do not enter into the equation. Blood, guts and gore are the common denominators in wars. If sensitivies are then maybe wars should be fought in dresses and soldiers armed at the hip with hair brushes and makeup bags. At least that way we could "paint them into a corner" and give them a shot of leg while making sure their hair is in place. Give me a break.

    War is hell. And in hell there is no such thing as sensitivies......
    This kind of thinking is precisely why the United States will never prevail in the kinds of wars we're being forced to fight.

    ETA: Meaning Binky's kind of thinking, not the kind of thinking Binky was complaining about.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Has that happened with Muslim immigrants in America? Is anyone actually being forced to wear something they don't want to? I don't know the answer, just curious.
    I wasn't referring to the United States in my post (though it's speculated that many Muslim women in the democracies are being forced to cover their heads and bodies) but was commenting on the thread. Many non-Muslim women are forced to wear head coverings when they visit Muslim run countries and it is the only religion I know of which forces religious dress codes on visitors. I don't believe it should be encouraged.

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    If by demand in the U.S., you mean they go through political processes to make it happen in the same way the rest of us do, then yes. No Muslims are forcing anyone to separate swimming pools. If separate swimming pools happen in the U.S., they happen because the community has agreed to make it happen.
    Yes, communities have received threats, legal and otherwise, to provide separate swimming pools for Muslims. This would appear to be in contadiction to your previous statement that Correction: When Muslims arrive in western societies they often expect to carry on with their traditions, within certain boundaries dictated by western culture.


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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, communities have received threats, legal and otherwise, to provide separate swimming pools for Muslims. This would appear to be in contadiction to your previous statement that Correction: When Muslims arrive in western societies they often expect to carry on with their traditions, within certain boundaries dictated by western culture.

    That have received threats, legal or otherwise, to make changes to laws and communities? That sounds more American than anything.

    The point is, most of the American population expects immigrants to adopt certain cultural norms and in fact, they are forced to (i.e. participating in democracy to get things done) - which is why after a few generations people assimilate.

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    In other words, yes you are comparing those two things and you're too much of a coward to own it.
    You are simply too stupid to recognize much of anything, that's all.


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