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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Apparently Amazed thinks he knows better than the commanders on the ground over there.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Of course that dose of humility would only be for the women to take. I take it you're not a feminist.
    Male combat troops already engage in a great deal of "cultural sensitivity," and even more so for SOF troops. The thing is males aren't required to wear head scarves in Islamic culture.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Of course that dose of humility would only be for the women to take. I take it you're not a feminist.
    What the **** are you talking about? Try to focus on what I said without attributing arguments that aren't even there. Can you do that? Is that difficult for you?

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

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    You can also just fail at whatever you're trying to build over there.
    Or, we can just kill off all the assholes. Problem solved.

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    What the **** are you talking about? Try to focus on what I said without attributing arguments that aren't even there. Can you do that? Is that difficult for you?
    I'm sorry. I thought you were making the argument that the US should show some humility and do what's "culturally sensitive" for the indigenous population and require women to wear a head scarf. Did I misunderstand you?
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I'm sorry. I thought you were making the argument that the US should show some humility and do what's "culturally sensitive" for the indigenous population and require women to wear a head scarf. Did I misunderstand you?
    I haven't made an argument about whether women should wear head scarfs - I'm torn on the issue and think the military should make the decision. I have however made arguments against the arrogant B.S. that "We are Americans" and our culture is better than everyone else's. Naturally, with this argument, I believe that both women and men should take that dose of humility since both women and men can be American.

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    If wearing headscarves is essential to complete the mission, then female soldiers should be ordered to wear headscarves and not encouraged.

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    I don't see how this is bad. This has sound strategic implications. It's a good idea to lead the Afghani people to believe they can relate to the foreigners currently occupying their country. The less alien the soldiers seem to them, the more likely they are to trust them. This could lead to intelligence being divulged that wouldn't have before, and that could save American lives. I think you're reading into this to much. It's just a piece of cloth.

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    Or, we can just kill off all the assholes. Problem solved.
    Because genocide will solve all our problems... Are we going back to the manifest destiny days?
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Of course that dose of humility would only be for the women to take. I take it you're not a feminist.
    You can be a feminist and a liberal, or you can be an apologist for Muslim fundamentalism, but you can't be both.

    Unfortunately, precious few even notice the incredible disconnest between what they claim to be and what they actually support.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    You realize that we are on THEIR territory...When people come here, we expect them to respect our culture. When we go there, it's reasonable that others expect us to respect their culture...This isn't even that serious of an issue.
    Are you kidding? We bow to the tender sensibilities of Muslim here as well as there. CAIR sends envoys to train our FBI and police how to respect Muslims at the same time they encourage Muslims to stone wall law enforcement. They are hypocrites.

    What do you think got those soldiers killed at Ft. Hood? They weren't sufficiently respectful to Major Hasan?

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