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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Now that I've read other posts on this thread, I have some second thoughts. I mistakenly thought that the women were being encouraged to wear this head scarves when they were in safe zones; now I see that the military is suggesting they wear them all the time...bright colorful scarves? Maybe we should have all company commanders wear some identifying insignia when they're in harm's way.

    I hope our American women in Afghanistan who choose to wear them choose helmet-matching scarves....and take them off when the bullets start to fly. It seems odd to me that the military would suggest that women identify themselves in battle.
    I think the problem is here that "safe zones" are a subjective term. As long as one is outside a fortified base, any other place could be a danger zone. I think women are being encouraged to wear these scarves because in certain roles they also must interact and build relationships with the locals, and female troops are often useful when it comes to searching women. I do agree that if this policy is implemented in a way that compromises their safety, then I am opposed to it.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't even know what a foot patrol is, honestly. I'm thinking like -- there's 8 soldiers in an open truck...or 8 soldiers in a group -- and that scarves would tell the enemy who of the group were female. I seem to remember that soldiers don't salute their superiors when in harm's way. My thoughts are a little like that...
    There are no open vehicles in use. Females are easily I.D. with out them.

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    In a counterinsurgency, the "staying focused" part doesn't exclude interacting with the local population, especially when you need their help to identify who the bad guys are and who is planting the IEDs.
    Then put them in dresses and see how focused the enemy will be. They can interact without putting on some scarf because that's the way the men of that country have ordered their women to do. Please........

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by Binky View Post
    Then put them in dresses and see how focused the enemy will be. They can interact without putting on some scarf because that's the way the men of that country have ordered their women to do. Please........
    They could, but as the saying goes, "when in Rome..." Unless the safety of female troops is compromised, I don't see how it can hurt more than it can help.
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    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    For the most part they do.
    Doesn't really matter though. Women must sometimes leave the base, otherwise there'd be no need to recommend the hijab if women aren't interacting with the locals at all.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    They could, but as the saying goes, "when in Rome..."
    We should go back to old school CI.

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    We should go back to old school CI.
    What's CI?
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Doesn't really matter though. Women must sometimes leave the base, otherwise there'd be no need to recommend the hijab if women aren't interacting with the locals at all.
    Females are mainly used to interact with local Females and they were them to make more comfortable around them.

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    What's CI?
    Counter-Insurgency. I think we should go back to calling CI Small-Wars.

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Counter-Insurgency. I think we should go back to calling CI Small-Wars.
    You mean Banana-Wars style COIN?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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