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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    how about showing some respect for the decisions made by the female soldiers who are over there. they have chosen to wear Hijab in some circumstances. all you are doing is undermining their decisions. you are not there, they are, and i think they are more qualified than you to decide what they want to do.
    Don't know if you're addressing me here, but according to the OP, some of the women felt that this "recommendation" felt like more of an order. If that's truly the case, then it's not the woman who's making the choice at all.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Okay, this is how I see this situation,

    As long as they are just "encouraging" wearing the scarves or even perhaps asking for volunteer women service members to wear them in order to aid with cultural relations, then I am okay and actually for this. Sounds like a pretty good idea.

    I do have a problem with it if they are ordering all servicewomen to wear the scarves whenever they are not required to wear military head gear. This would not only be wrong just because it is sexist, but it would also damage progress in trying to show the Afghani people, men and women, that women should have a choice whether to wear certain attire or not. In fact, it should be made quite known to all the Afghani people that any American women wearing the scarves are doing so by their own choice.

    Not all customs should be observed just because they are there and we do need to be careful about why and how we are observing customs of other countries to ensure that we aren't encouraging behaviors/laws/customs that are oppressive by giving the idea that we are okay with such customs by ordering our servicemembers to observe them.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    according to the OP, some of the women felt that this "recommendation" felt like more of an order. If that's truly the case, then it's not the woman who's making the choice at all.
    actually that's not true.

    Major Kyndra Rotunda (who is a law professor at Chapman University), gave her opinion of the recommendation. there was no mention of any of the female soldiers opinions on the matter in the OP which is why i posted my links showing that at least the female soldiers of the entire 330th MP Company have no problems with wearing the scarves. did you read the link? it shows some of the excellent work that they are doing with the women at Jaji Maidan.

    no one is ordering these soldiers wear Hijab. "To make the females more comfortable we all wore head scarves. It was funny seeing female Soldiers in full battle rattle with brightly colored scarves peeking from under their helmets.".

    note they said under their helmets.



    you would expect that any other female soldier in other areas who chooses to wear Hijab and is in a situation that would require them to wear their helmet would do so. why wouldn't they. i'm sure they would take all resonable precautions to keep themself as protected as possible. just like soldiers in the 330th MP Company do.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Don't know if you're addressing me here, but according to the OP, some of the women felt that this "recommendation" felt like more of an order. If that's truly the case, then it's not the woman who's making the choice at all.
    Recommendations in the military generally feel like orders. The difference between a recommendation and an order in the military is that you can not be charged with failing to follow a recommendation.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Are you actually saying that asking someone to wear a hijab is the same thing as ... that? Really?
    Are you actually saying that women are chattel?
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    I'm sorry, but we are in a war. And in a war, sensitivies do not enter into the equation. Blood, guts and gore are the common denominators in wars. If sensitivies are then maybe wars should be fought in dresses and soldiers armed at the hip with hair brushes and makeup bags. At least that way we could "paint them into a corner" and give them a shot of leg while making sure their hair is in place. Give me a break.

    War is hell. And in hell there is no such thing as sensitivies......

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by Binky View Post
    I'm sorry, but we are in a war. And in a war, sensitivies do not enter into the equation. Blood, guts and gore are the common denominators in wars. If sensitivies are then maybe wars should be fought in dresses and soldiers armed at the hip with hair brushes and makeup bags. At least that way we could "paint them into a corner" and give them a shot of leg while making sure their hair is in place. Give me a break.

    War is hell. And in hell there is no such thing as sensitivies......
    That would be true if we were fighting a conventional war. We are not.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    That would be true if we were fighting a conventional war. We are not.


    The fact remains that war is hell. It isn't a party and dressup time. It's fight to the death time. In a war, the only thing that matters is keeping focused on why one is there and then doing what is required to stay alive, so one can return home. Concerning oneself with other matters that distracts one from the problem at hand only serves to get one killed.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by Binky View Post
    The fact remains that war is hell. It isn't a party and dressup time. It's fight to the death time. In a war, the only thing that matters is keeping focused on why one is there and then doing what is required to stay alive, so one can return home. Concerning oneself with other matters that distracts one from the problem at hand only serves to get one killed.
    If only modern warfare was actually as simple as that...
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

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    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    If only modern warfare was actually as simple as that...
    Now that I've read other posts on this thread, I have some second thoughts. I mistakenly thought that the women were being encouraged to wear this head scarves when they were in safe zones; now I see that the military is suggesting they wear them all the time...bright colorful scarves? Maybe we should have all company commanders wear some identifying insignia when they're in harm's way.

    I hope our American women in Afghanistan who choose to wear them choose helmet-matching scarves....and take them off when the bullets start to fly. It seems odd to me that the military would suggest that women identify themselves in battle.
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