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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Let me give an example I just thought of: Let us say that some French soldiers came over to the US(yes, I know there are a multitude of joke possibilities there). Right near where they are is a wonderful beach. French women soldiers would still be required to wear a top at this beach, even though French culture and laws say it is not necessary.

    I figured you might enjoy that example.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    You have failed to address what I actually said, which was:



    I asked you that question because that's on the topic of this thread. Get back to me when you have a reply.
    It's little hard to reply to you when you keep changing what I'm supposed to reply to.



    If your point was to demonstrate that the best you can do in response to my very relevant, on-topic question is to misdirect, then yes you most certainly have.
    Here's how I think it's relevant. You were plainly proven wrong in that thread, yet you stuck to your guns that the incident with the reporter in the closet never actually happened. I've shown where the hijab can be seen as a sign of subjugation of woman, yet you'll stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that it could be seen that way and undermine respect for our female troops.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Let me give an example I just thought of: Let us say that some French soldiers came over to the US(yes, I know there are a multitude of joke possibilities there). Right near where they are is a wonderful beach. French women soldiers would still be required to wear a top at this beach, even though French culture and laws say it is not necessary.

    I figured you might enjoy that example.
    American beach law sucks. We are such prudes. What's wrong with showing off some beautiful tittays?? sheesh
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I think it's got less to do with communication, principles, and sending a message than it has with the practical nature of counterinsurgency. You win hearts and minds by attempting to adopt local customs and adapting to culture. In such a case whether we think making women wear headscarves is oppressive or subjugating, is irrelevant. We're there to win a war, we're not there as a feminist group.
    To what end are we "winning hearts and minds" if we're just going to say, "You know that whole head scarf thing, turns out you're right about that."?
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    American beach law sucks. We are such prudes. What's wrong with showing off some beautiful tittays?? sheesh
    Which is exactly what those hypothetical French soldiers would think. However, despite that, they would still be expected to follow our cultural norms.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    uniforms ate often modified for unusual or extreme conditions.

    dont we expect people to adopt american culture and traditions when they come here?
    Do we? Are Muslim women in the US not allowed to wear a full burka if that's what they believe in?
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    To what end are we "winning hearts and minds" if we're just going to say, "You know that whole head scarf thing, turns out you're right about that."?
    Has nothing to do with us thinking about whether it's right or wrong. In this war, a lot of the time we need the locals' help. Adopting local customs, learning their language and respecting their culture goes a long way towards enabling you to get them to help.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    It's little hard to reply to you when you keep changing what I'm supposed to reply to.
    No, I've been very consistent with what I asked you. It is you who keeps trying to change the subject.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Do we? Are Muslim women in the US not allowed to wear a full burka if that's what they believe in?
    I don't recall if that issue has come up in the states yet, but like I said in a previous post this issue was at the center of the French debate, and that's why they ended up banning it. That was an instance of codifying social norms into law. It hasn't happened (yet) in this country, but it could.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Female U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan ‘Encouraged’ to Wear Hijab

    Alexander the Great was one of the greatest military minds of all time. His policy was to always adapt/adopt some parts of the local culture to get them on board.

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