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    Re: Schakowsky tears into Cantor for saying Social Security ‘cannot exist’ in a futur

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the spoiled people are those who have representation without federal income taxation
    Horse****, I pay taxs now and Ive paid them all my life.

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    Re: Schakowsky tears into Cantor for saying Social Security ‘cannot exist’ in a futur

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Horse****, I pay taxs now and Ive paid them all my life.
    so you do pay federal income taxes?

    my comment was not directed at you then



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    Re: Schakowsky tears into Cantor for saying Social Security ‘cannot exist’ in a futur

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    so you do pay federal income taxes?

    my comment was not directed at you then
    Do you expect a walmart worker that makes 15000 a year to pay as much as someone making half a million ?

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    Re: Schakowsky tears into Cantor for saying Social Security ‘cannot exist’ in a futur

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Do you expect a walmart worker that makes 15000 a year to pay as much as someone making half a million ?
    not the same amount but the same percentage

    if that walmart worker cannot pay his share of what he uses he at least should keep no more of his next dollar as those who do



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    Re: Schakowsky tears into Cantor for saying Social Security ‘cannot exist’ in a futur

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Do you expect a walmart worker that makes 15000 a year to pay as much as someone making half a million ?
    No, let's say for instance that the income tax was 10% for everyone. Do the math, $15,000 x 10% vs $500,000 x 10%. I don't think they are paying the same.
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    Re: Schakowsky tears into Cantor for saying Social Security ‘cannot exist’ in a futur

    but that walmart worker would feel the bite if government raised the tax rate. that might convince walmart worker not to vote for big spending politicians. right now he will because he is told the "rich" will pay for all the spending



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    Re: Schakowsky tears into Cantor for saying Social Security ‘cannot exist’ in a futur

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    which was in turn a response to a threat that the seniors of America would be willing to F everyone else over in order to 'get theirs'. when you threaten my nations' existance, yeah, i generally will react badly to that.



    whether the Tea Party will fall behind entitlement reform is questionable. most Tea Partiers don't currently think it's necessary, and they tend to be older, and thus more easily scared. many Tea Partiers have been at the forefront of fiscal and entitlement reform; and I think most of the rest will come around eventually.



    actually Democrats extended the Bush tax cuts. which was smart of them.



    public sector unions aren't working class, they are pretty thoroughly upper middle class. what the anti-public-union movement has done is move to protect the worker class from their abuses of the system.



    while at the same time removing the tax loopholes that they use to minimize or even totally negate their tax exposure. so their rates are lowered, but now they have to actually pay them. which is how the proposal is tax neutral. plus we get an immediate economic boost as resources are moved from tax-avoidance schemes to production and hiring.



    the proposal doesn't touch social security, it makes no cuts whatsoever to medicaid, and meals are also untouched - if you like, wander on over to the breaking news blogs section where i started a thread on that particular falsehood.



    yup.



    cutting out and ignoring the hyperbole (i sort of imagine you right now as "the scream"), the average conservative who wants to enact these reforms is fighting for his country's survival. when you talk about destructive levels of debt on this scale you are threatning my children.
    First I think every one is confused by the term entitlement, SS is not an entitlement SS is a retirement plan that people pay into all of their working lives, Unlike Wall Street where private investors are gambling with their retirement money SS is a safe investment. Unlike Wall Street SS monies are not or should not be being used to pay CEO's huge salaries and bonuses nor to make brokers and bankers rich.

    If SS is ended we will end up with a bunch of the working poor hitting their late years with no money and unable to find enough work to provide for housing and food.

    But go ahead and start stealing from the citizens of this country who have paid into SS. that will sure as s--t wake up the most powerfull voting block in this country and we will send the modern day carpet baggers back into hiding for another 30 years

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    Re: Schakowsky tears into Cantor for saying Social Security ‘cannot exist’ in a futur

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    but that walmart worker would feel the bite if government raised the tax rate. that might convince walmart worker not to vote for big spending politicians. right now he will because he is told the "rich" will pay for all the spending
    Feel what bite?...they dont have SQUAT...Walmart is the largest employer in the country and I most like made more than a walmart Store manager.
    Your saying that a walmart worker that doesnt make enough for lifes necessities have the same percentage taken off them as me.
    10 percent from a walmart worker hurts their quality of life alot more than taking 30% from someone make a half a million.

    Turtledude you had better hope the day never comes that ALL walmart workerd go to the polls and vote and all public union workers that will be the day the rich will start jumping off buildings again and cutting thier wrists.
    There are far more workers than there are spoiled greedy teaparty brats that want mOAR and mOAR and mOAR
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    Re: Schakowsky tears into Cantor for saying Social Security ‘cannot exist’ in a futur

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Feel what bite?...they dont have SQUAT...Walmart is the largest employer in the country and I most like made more than a walmart Store manager.
    Your saying that a walmart worker that doesnt make enough for lifes necessities have the same percentage taken off them as me.
    10 percent from a walmart worker hurts their quality of life alot more than taking 30% from someone make a half a million.

    Turtledude you had better hope the day never comes that ALL walmart workerd go to the polls and vote and all public union workers that will be the day the rich will start jumping off buildings again and cutting thier wrists.
    There are far more workers than there are spoiled greedy teaparty brats that want mOAR and mOAR and mOAR
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    Dude, you are coming unhinged. Calm down.
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    Re: Schakowsky tears into Cantor for saying Social Security ‘cannot exist’ in a futur

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    First I think every one is confused by the term entitlement, SS is not an entitlement SS is a retirement plan that people pay into all of their working lives, Unlike Wall Street where private investors are gambling with their retirement money SS is a safe investment. Unlike Wall Street SS monies are not or should not be being used to pay CEO's huge salaries and bonuses nor to make brokers and bankers rich.

    If SS is ended we will end up with a bunch of the working poor hitting their late years with no money and unable to find enough work to provide for housing and food.

    But go ahead and start stealing from the citizens of this country who have paid into SS. that will sure as s--t wake up the most powerfull voting block in this country and we will send the modern day carpet baggers back into hiding for another 30 years
    While many people have let SS become their "Retirement Plan", that is not what is was intended to be, it was only supposed to be supplemental income. The vast majority of people who received SS benefits prior to the beginning of the baby boomer retirement did not pay even a small fraction of what they got, even if you were to use a heavy interest component to the money that was "contributed". Prior to 1986 SS was pretty much a pay as you go plan where current employees paid for the benefits of current retirees, however, it became obvious to even the densest politician that this could not continue so they upped the rates and the amount on which you paid taxes so that a so-called "savings fund" which was supposed to be used to pay for the boomers retirement. As usual, they underestimated the amount that SS would pay out before the boomers began to retire as well as how much it would have to pay out to the boomers. To make matters worse, congress and the executive branch embezzled the funds from the SS fund to pay for other goodies to help them get re-elected.

    The SS money has already been stolen, both to pay for enhanced benefits for previous workers and to pay for other government giveaways. Unless you were complaining about them doing this previously and unless you voted against the various representatives and presidents that were doing this, you are as guilty of creating the current problem as they are.

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