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    Re: Montana Republican Senator Bashes DWI Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    Exactly but taking a wrecking ball to their personal lives will not cure the problem and then marking them for life isn't right either. What I see is a system more interested in the taking of money under guise of so called justice, yet it is those who pay taxes and are law abiding who pay in the long run. Although I do agree in regards to the habitual drinker but I am sure there is another path opposed to punishing all for the acts of a few.
    It's called deterrence, and in a lot of cases it can be very effective.
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    Re: Montana Republican Senator Bashes DWI Laws

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    It's called deterrence, and in a lot of cases it can be very effective.
    Deterrence usually only works when one is in sound mind and body and alcoholics seem to lack both.

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    Re: Montana Republican Senator Bashes DWI Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    Deterrence usually only works when one is in sound mind and body and alcoholics seem to lack both.
    I don't consider myself to be an alcoholic. I have never kept alcohol in the home, and the only time I have ever drank anything was during gigs, which was a mistake. I can tell you first hand that deterrence has worked with me. I will never again get behind the wheel of a car after drinking beer. Want to know what else? I almost got myself killed the night I was arrested, and could have killed someone else. I needed to be arrested and taken off the road. And I betcha dollars to donuts that anyone else who has learned his or her lesson on DWI will tell you the same thing - The laws are there to protect the public from menaces like ourselves.
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    Re: Montana Republican Senator Bashes DWI Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    Deterrence usually only works when one is in sound mind and body and alcoholics seem to lack both.
    Depends. Often it is something like a DWI or the threat of another DWI that can get an alcoholic in treatment. Further, lots of folks that DWI laws affect are not alcoholics. Deterrence can be very effective for those folks.
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    Re: Montana Republican Senator Bashes DWI Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    Exactly but taking a wrecking ball to their personal lives will not cure the problem and then marking them for life isn't right either. What I see is a system more interested in the taking of money under guise of so called justice, yet it is those who pay taxes and are law abiding who pay in the long run. Although I do agree in regards to the habitual drinker but I am sure there is another path opposed to punishing all for the acts of a few.
    DWI laws don't punish all, but only those who choose to drive intoxicated. Drunk drivers are the ones who punish the innocent by involving them in their traffic accidents.
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    Re: Montana Republican Senator Bashes DWI Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    DWI laws don't punish all, but only those who choose to drive intoxicated. Drunk drivers are the ones who punish the innocent by involving them in their traffic accidents.
    Well I can see I am in this fight alone oh well here goes...
    I do think we all pay and as a taxpayer we pick up the tab, while those involved in the legthy process that will ensue will enrich themselves. The law enforcement, judicial and correction business has become a multibillion dollar business and as a result we need to drag down the people accused or convicted through this unnecessary wrecking ball of a process. The process not only cost billions to the tax payer but lays down a punishment that will follow the accused for years and again the taxpayer usually ends up with the bill. What I advocate is what I stated, and very expensive fine or punishment and the accused gets to walk without a criminal record, he would still be eligible for gainful employment.

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    Re: Montana Republican Senator Bashes DWI Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I don't consider myself to be an alcoholic. I have never kept alcohol in the home, and the only time I have ever drank anything was during gigs, which was a mistake. I can tell you first hand that deterrence has worked with me. I will never again get behind the wheel of a car after drinking beer. Want to know what else? I almost got myself killed the night I was arrested, and could have killed someone else. I needed to be arrested and taken off the road. And I betcha dollars to donuts that anyone else who has learned his or her lesson on DWI will tell you the same thing - The laws are there to protect the public from menaces like ourselves.
    I wouldn't consider you a alcoholic either judging from what you have posted, you made a mistake and i do think that the process you were dragged through also was unnecessary. Then again you are of sound mind and body...I hope anyway.

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    Re: Montana Republican Senator Bashes DWI Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    Well I can see I am in this fight alone oh well here goes...
    I do think we all pay and as a taxpayer we pick up the tab, while those involved in the legthy process that will ensue will enrich themselves. The law enforcement, judicial and correction business has become a multibillion dollar business and as a result we need to drag down the people accused or convicted through this unnecessary wrecking ball of a process. The process not only cost billions to the tax payer but lays down a punishment that will follow the accused for years and again the taxpayer usually ends up with the bill. What I advocate is what I stated, and very expensive fine or punishment and the accused gets to walk without a criminal record, he would still be eligible for gainful employment.
    Do you really mean to say that someone who has been arrested for DWI is not eligible for gainful employment?
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    Re: Montana Republican Senator Bashes DWI Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Do you really mean to say that someone who has been arrested for DWI is not eligible for gainful employment?
    No... I am just saying the odds are against him or her , especially if he or she has something to do with transportation, machinery etc. Although this isn't my argument, it's the criminal record one will get for this offense even he or she isn't involved in a wreck. Loosing a car on the first offense is quick and easy and no judicial process required to the extent they go through now, not to metion he or she won't be marked for life. Now a continuing offender would be different, but slamming them into prison and not some sort of treatment isn't the cure.

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    Re: Montana Republican Senator Bashes DWI Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    No... I am just saying the odds are against him or her , especially if he or she has something to do with transportation, machinery etc. Although this isn't my argument, it's the criminal record one will get for this offense even he or she isn't involved in a wreck. Loosing a car on the first offense is quick and easy and no judicial process required to the extent they go through now, not to metion he or she won't be marked for life. Now a continuing offender would be different, but slamming them into prison and not some sort of treatment isn't the cure.
    That I'd agree with. First timers should pay a fine, maybe lose driving privileges for a time, and that's it. Repeaters shouldn't be able to get a job in transportation or working around risky machinery, IMO.
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