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CNN Poll: Unfavorable view of tea party on the rise

liblady said:
let's see, essentially ryan wants to privatize medicare, and give medicaid to the states. at the same time, he gives cuts to the wealthy and the corporations. so what would you call it?

it's not ****ing rocket science, and the majority of the people in the us.s believe we should RAISE taxes on the wealthy, not give them more breaks. tell me, how did reagan's cuts and bush's cuts decrease our debt? answer: they didn't. definition of insanity? doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. that's republicans.
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Amen. People do NOT want the GOP solution.

Public prefers cutting defense spending: Reuters/Ipsos poll | Reuters


By Donna Smith
WASHINGTON | Wed Mar 9, 2011 2:47pm EST
(Reuters) - A majority of Americans prefer cutting defense spending to reduce the federal deficit rather than taking money from public retirement and health programs, a Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Wednesday showed.

The poll found 51 percent of Americans support reducing defense spending, and only 28 percent want to cut Medicare and Medicaid health programs for the elderly and poor. A mere 18 percent back cuts in the Social Security retirement program.
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This whole Ryan budget idea is simply part of a larger war on working class people waged by right wing Republicans...(is that last part redundant?)
 
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Health Care | U.S. Congressman Paul Ryan
Alternative Approach
The true shame of this debate is that there are real problems in health care that need to be fixed. Almost a year ago, I introduced the Patients’ Choice Act to fix what’s broken in health care, without breaking what’s working. I’ve spoken with Wisconsinites for years about patient-centered reforms that would make possible universal access to quality, affordable health care with the patient and the doctor—not the government or insurance companies—as the nucleus of the health care market.

My bill fundamentally changes the mechanics of Medicaid while strengthening the promise of health care and security for all Americans. Under my proposal, discriminatory tax rules would be reformed, ensuring that everyone gets the same tax benefits for the purchase of health care regardless of where they obtain that care. Every American receives an advanceable, refundable tax credit with which to purchase portable health insurance. The bill continues to encourage businesses to offer health insurance by allowing the current tax incentives for businesses to remain intact. So if you like what you have, you can keep it—but it will be your decision. Further, my proposal encourages the adoption of health information technology and assists states in making serious medical liability reforms that offer real solutions to medical malpractice litigation and the practice of defensive medicine.

yeah... sounds like that seriously sucks, huh:rolleyes:
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haymarket said:
Amen. People do NOT want the GOP solution.

Public prefers cutting defense spending: Reuters/Ipsos poll | Reuters




This whole Ryan budget idea is simply part of a larger war on working class people waged by right wing Republicans...(is that last part redundant?)
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from your link...
The Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security programs, known as entitlements, and defense spending together account for about two-thirds of the $3.7 trillion federal budget, but they are not a major part of the debate in Congress over spending cuts.
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Defense spending should be reduced. However, both sides of congress are apparently to chicken-**** to go after the real problem children in the budget.
 
liblady said:
so, what does call for rationing care then?

ryan's plan sucks, btw, takes from the poor and middle class and gives to the rich, very simply.
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Well, it may not be perfect. After all, people are comparing it to Obamacare. :)
By the way, it doesn't say so here, but I'm pretty sure he said his plan wouldn't effect anyone 55 or older.

I bolded the parts that I like the sound of.

GOP Medicare Plan Could Share Common Ground With 'Obamacare' Exchanges - FoxNews.com

One key difference between the two exchanges is the way the subsidies are calculated. Under the Ryan-Rivlin proposal, the subsidy would be based on the average cost per Medicare patient in 2012 -- and then allowed to increase at the rate of GDP growth plus 1 percent. Under the health care overhaul, subsidies would be based on a calculation that factors in market prices and the income of the individual.
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There are other obvious differences. The health care overhaul uses Medicaid to cover very low-income individuals. And, of course, the Ryan-Rivlin plan deals with seniors, whereas the health care overhaul's exchanges are targeted at low- and middle-income individuals who generally are not covered by an employer.
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But as with the health care overhaul exchanges, Ryan suggested the GOP might be looking at a sliding scale for Medicare benefits. He told "Fox News Sunday" the proposal would give "more for the poor, more for people who get sick, and we don't give as much money to people who are wealthy."
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The Tax Policy Center, in an analysis put out last month, argued that the health care overhaul and the Ryan-Rivlin plan actually go hand-in-hand. The analysis said the federal overhaul lays the groundwork by instituting an individual mandate, setting up an exchange and establishing minimum standards for insurance plans. "Additional premium support for seniors would be the final piece of the puzzle," fellow Howard Gleckman wrote. "Seniors would be able to buy affordable private coverage through the same sort of exchanges as tens of millions of working people. ... The idea is not as radical as it sounds."
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The Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security programs, known as entitlements, and defense spending together account for about two-thirds of the $3.7 trillion federal budget, but they are not a major part of the debate in Congress over spending cuts.
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and if the GOP gets its way, neither is the largest item in the discretionary budget for the rest of the year - defense spending.
 
liblady said:
let's see, essentially ryan wants to privatize medicare, and give medicaid to the states. at the same time, he gives cuts to the wealthy and the corporations. so what would you call it?

it's not ****ing rocket science, and the majority of the people in the us.s believe we should RAISE taxes on the wealthy, not give them more breaks. tell me, how did reagan's cuts and bush's cuts decrease our debt? answer: they didn't. definition of insanity? doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. that's republicans.
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You consider doing away with loopholes and dropping cooperate taxes to where we are competitive with the rest of the world, insanity?
I think borrowing 40 cents for every dollar we spend and still thinking we need to spend more, is insanity.
 
whysoserious said:
Oh I see, it wasn't a CNN poll. It was performed by Opinion Research Corporation and funded by CNN? That has a ton more legitimacy then.



GOP budget plan would revamp Medicare, Medicaid - Tuesday, April 5, 2011 | 7:13 a.m. - Las Vegas Sun


Does GOP plan for Medicare, Medicaid amount to reform or destruction? - Thursday, April 7, 2011 | 2:01 a.m. - Las Vegas Sun
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Medicaid is not cut. It will be given to the states in block grants and put governors in control of it.
Medicare will be reformed but will not go into affect until 2022.
 
nonpareil said:
I'm not mad. I don't care about you enough to get that worked up. There are times to take things seriously or times not to. When people wrongly accuse me of something, I do take it seriously. So are you going to answer the question?
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Oh you mad....


So I read you wrong, I conceded that. stop posturing in an attempt to deflect now, ok? :lol:



what question?



I make no leap. The Tea Party is an extreme wing of the GOP, it's where it's got its start. Are you denying that the people who support the Tea Party were supporters of the GOP if they have no one else more right-wing than the GOP candidate to vote for?
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Well that's a lie.


If you were honest, you would know, because you have been here at DP for some time, that we who are the tea party, started as a libertarian group, who had repulicans join up in opposition to BUSH's Stimulous spending, and there has been a tea party even before that through ron paul types.....


You want to be a partisan hack so you cackle on about how the tea party is a far right wing group without any intelligence of opinion. Just false accusations.


I didn't lie about anything, so you just pulled that out of your ass. It's the kind of partisanship and hypocrisy you display that hampers debate. Weren't you the one who said:




So a distinct Tea Party is suddenly important now? Are you denying that the Republican platform is about "smaller government, more accountable reps, reduced spending, and lower taxes" and all that rhetorical crap?
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Can you not read, Didn't I just say that tea party or not, folks have had enough with the spending., the taxes, and unaccountable reps? Talk about "partisan hypocrisy".... :lol:
 
haymarket said:
from the Rev



While I rarely agree with him, I do think in this one case the Rev has a valid point. Given the current ideological makeup of the GOP, showing that the tea party faction is the extreme right wing of the party would be like trying to show which of a house filled with twenty dollar ladies of the night is the most virtuous.

I really do not think its factually possible to identify the extreme right wing given the group in question.
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That's retarded as usual. To you if its right of Obama, it's "Extreme right wing".
 
haymarket said:
Thanks for the article from the Heritage Foundation Barb. They are a perfect reverse barometer and it lets me know that whatever they say, just do the opposite.
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You don't have to like their opinion about it. I was just showing that defense cutting is being done.
 
rocket88 said:
So until then, how does it help balance the budget?
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Will have to get back to you on this. It looks like the CBO is not crazy about his Medicare plan. Might have to change my mind on that part.
 
whysoserious said:
CNN cannot take real polls. They don't have a valid sample group. Any poll by Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, etc, are going to be inaccurate. The Tea Party will lose favor if it continues attempting to cut our elderly citizens' health coverage, though.
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Given the apparent demographics of the Tea Party, it appears they would be cutting their healthcare in the near future. Why would they do that?
 
Barbbtx said:
Will have to get back to you on this. It looks like the CBO is not crazy about his Medicare plan. Might have to change my mind on that part.
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The CBO isn't perfect.
 
This whole "who is the tea party" discussion seems to be dominated by people who have a house filled with children they gave birth to but want to keep insisting on their own personal virginity. They proudly want to wave their tea bags in the air and claim ownership of the movement but at the same time don't dare brand them as being on the far right because in their own twisted minds they are firmly representing the great center of American thought.

Yes, they pretty much hate the federal government, at least those not in a military uniform.
Yes, they would take a meat axe to most of federal government spending, if it does not involve killing foreign people.
Yes, the very prospect of shutting down the most powerful government on the face of the earth gets them all weak in the knees and swoony.
Yes, taxes - especially income taxes, and the people who collect them are the most evil of all government bastards.
Yes, they would personally repeal getting rid of most of the political advancements of the 20th century.
Yes, they are the only people in America who have read the US Constitution and understand what it really means.
Yes, some of them they have been against almost every single public policy iniative designed to help minorities for the past half century and even longer.
Yes, some of them they carry signs which are a weird combnination of the outright offensive to the outright stupid.

But do NOT call them right wing because that is an offensive term.

For those of who in the tea party business and who deny you are right wingers, can you take a minute to explain to us all just who the heck in a right winger these days if the tea party movement is not?
 
American said:
Given the apparent demographics of the Tea Party, it appears they would be cutting their healthcare in the near future. Why would they do that?
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lets make this multiple choice

a) gross stupidity
b) failing to recognize their own economic self interest
c) ideology has overloaded the rest of their brain producing a type of disfunctional political thinking
d) all of the above
 
Wanna take a poll?
News Headlines
this poll is still open.
It asks who's to blame for a shut down
cnbc, I thought was left yet the numbers don't show that yet
They have
Obama 28%
dems 26%
repub 27%
tea party 19 %
 
American said:
The CBO isn't perfect.
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yea I know, but they did make it seem that the plan was going to hurt seniors in the long run.

I liked the idea of a plan where the wealthier seniors paid more, the states had more control etc. However, maybe his reform plan needs some more reforming. I still think Ryan is on the right track and I'm proud of him for being so bold.
 
Barbbtx said:
I liked the idea of a plan where the wealthier seniors paid more,
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Sounds kind of like a redistribution of the wealth plan... but I know it can't be that because you're a capitalist.. how bizarre, how bizarre...
 
haymarket said:
This whole "who is the tea party" discussion seems to be dominated by people who have a house filled with children they gave birth to but want to keep insisting on their own personal virginity. They proudly want to wave their tea bags in the air and claim ownership of the movement but at the same time don't dare brand them as being on the far right because in their own twisted minds they are firmly representing the great center of American thought.

Yes, they pretty much hate the federal government, at least those not in a military uniform.
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Incorrect as usual. We believe in limited government as our founders did.

Yes, they would take a meat axe to most of federal government spending, if it does not involve killing foreign people.
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That's retarded. We are for across the board cuts, including the military.

Yes, the very prospect of shutting down the most powerful government on the face of the earth gets them all weak in the knees and swoony.
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This isn't even worthy of a response. the Dems are the ones who want to shut down the government, for they think it will have the effect that the last one did, this is also why idiots are now mouth foaming over the tea party again, dem talking points say "blame the tea party".

Yes, taxes - especially income taxes, and the people who collect them are the most evil of all government bastards.
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Link or are you just getting overly emotional and hyperbolic again?


Reasonable taxation and reasonable spending.


Yes, they would personally repeal getting rid of most of the political advancements of the 20th century.
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OMG, will you seriously stop with the emotional nonsense? :lamo


Yes, they are the only people in America who have read the US Constitution and understand what it really means.
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Strawman.


Yes, some of them they have been against almost every single public policy iniative designed to help minorities for the past half century and even longer.
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Bull****, now you are outright lying... Affirmative action does not help minorities, its so racists on the left can help who they feel is infierior to them as a pity party.


Yes, some of them they carry signs which are a weird combnination of the outright offensive to the outright stupid.
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So what? Are you suggesting the left has never done this? traitors like code pink demonstrate otherwise.

But do NOT call them right wing because that is an offensive term.
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"right wing extremists" please don't move goal posts, it's embarrassing....

Some are right wing, some are libertarian, and some are even democrat/left wing.....


For those of who in the tea party business and who deny you are right wingers, can you take a minute to explain to us all just who the heck in a right winger these days if the tea party movement is not?
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Right wing tends to be more socially conservative. the tea party has no stance on social issues. Just fiscal and governmental. how many months has this been explained to you now? :roll:
 
Rev, you remind me of the first Indiana Jones movie where he says he simply makes it all up as he goes along. Your answers - denying the very obvious realities of the beliefs of many tea party participants and spokespersons - border on the funny stuff Jon Stewart says when imitating Glen Beck and his room filled with delusional writings on chalk boards.

The beautiful thing about the tea party - and the real only useful utilitarian function they have served to date - is to clear up where the vast majority of libertatians are on the political spectrum. I contended for years that the crux of libertarianism is basically a far right ideology on the really important things. They screamed and yelled just like you are doing here and said that they were not. But then the libertarians found out that what everyone else knew - they could not elect a dog catcher in even the lowest voter turn out election so they glommed onto this whole tea party thing like lice on a mangey cur. Now they are firmly on the right and it confirms what I felt all along.

Your own posts here on many subjects and your proud embracement of both libertarianism and the tea party movement are an excellent example of this. Thank you for daily providing ample evidence of the far right nature of the tea party.
 
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haymarket said:
Rev, you remind me of the first Indiana Jones movie where he says he simply makes it all up as he goes along. Your answers border on the funny stuff Jon Stewart says when imitating Glen Beck and his room filled with delusional writings on chalk boards.

The beautiful thing about the tea party - and the real only useful utilitarian function they have served to date - is to clear up where the vast majority of libertatians are on the political spectrum. I contended for years that the crux of libertarianism is basically a far right ideology on the really important things. They screamed and yelled just like you are doing here and said that they were not. But then the libertarians found out that what everyone else knew - they could not elect a dog catcher in even the lowest voter turn out election so they glommed onto this whole tea party thing like lice on a mangey cur. Now they are firmly on the right and it confirms what I felt all along.

Your own posts here on many subjects and your proud embracement of both libertarianism and the tea party movement are an excellent example of this. Thank you for daily providing ample evidence of the far right nature of the tea party.
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what is far right about being against DADT, DOMA, the Drug war, and corporate welfare?


Please by all means, back up your nonsense with some actual facts.... I'll wait. :lamo
 
Most of these issues are not crucial in the radical right wing war on working people. And so what? Some libs want to smoke dope and get laid with whoever and whatever. I could not care less since I care precious little about those issues and they mean nothing compared to the political and economic war being waged by the right against working class people in America. That is just meaningless smoke and mirrors used to distract from the real issues the folks like the Koch Bros really care about.

Corporate welfare... sure.... but I have never seen tea party folks seem to care about it. And precious little from their mouthpieces in Congress either.

Libertarians who embrace the wackiest of right wing position on economics, minority rights, taxation and other issues think they can pretend that even though they look like a duck and quack like a duck and walk like a duck they are something else because they want to smoke dope and play fireman sliding downs somebodys pole. Sorry - but it don't cut it with me.
 
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