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    Re: CNN Poll: Unfavorable view of tea party on the rise

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    The polling was random sampling, not among viewers. CNN simply paid for it.
    If true, then that is different. However, from what I've read, those who have a favorable opinion is pretty much unchanged. I'll get worried if those numbers change considerably.
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    Re: CNN Poll: Unfavorable view of tea party on the rise

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    ryan's plan sucks, btw, takes from the poor and middle class and gives to the rich, very simply.
    Your comments show your typical poor understanding of the issues.

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    Re: CNN Poll: Unfavorable view of tea party on the rise

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Your comments show your typical poor understanding of the issues.
    Quite to the contrary. Liblady hit it out of the park.

    But I certainly applaud you keeping the to party line in the face of mounting facts and the harsh exposure of truth from the other side. Loyalty is indeed a virtue..... I think.
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    Re: CNN Poll: Unfavorable view of tea party on the rise

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Your comments show your typical poor understanding of the issues.
    let's see, essentially ryan wants to privatize medicare, and give medicaid to the states. at the same time, he gives cuts to the wealthy and the corporations. so what would you call it?

    it's not ****ing rocket science, and the majority of the people in the us.s believe we should RAISE taxes on the wealthy, not give them more breaks. tell me, how did reagan's cuts and bush's cuts decrease our debt? answer: they didn't. definition of insanity? doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. that's republicans.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: CNN Poll: Unfavorable view of tea party on the rise

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    The polling was random sampling, not among viewers. CNN simply paid for it.
    Oh I see, it wasn't a CNN poll. It was performed by Opinion Research Corporation and funded by CNN? That has a ton more legitimacy then.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Agree with first part.
    But how is the Tea Party attempting to cut elderly health coverage?
    GOP budget plan would revamp Medicare, Medicaid - Tuesday, April 5, 2011 | 7:13 a.m. - Las Vegas Sun
    House Republicans set up a politically defining clash over the size and priorities of government Tuesday, unveiling a budget plan that calls for both unprecedented spending cuts and a fundamental restructuring of taxpayer-financed health care for the elderly and the poor.

    The plan would slash federal spending by $5 trillion or more over the coming decade. It would leave Social Security untouched but shift more of the risk from rising medical costs from the government to Medicare beneficiaries. It also calls for sharp cuts to Medicaid health care for the poor and disabled and to food aid for the poor.

    Dubbed the "Path to Prosperity," the proposal by House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, R-Wis., also calls for dramatically overhauling the complicated and inefficient U.S. tax code. It would scrap numerous tax breaks and loopholes in exchange for reducing the top income tax rate for both individuals and corporations from 35 percent to 25 percent.
    Does GOP plan for Medicare, Medicaid amount to reform or destruction? - Thursday, April 7, 2011 | 2:01 a.m. - Las Vegas Sun
    Consider this as well: The senior population of the United States is a more reliable voting bloc than any other segment of the population, turning out in almost twice the numbers of the youth vote, and voting more conservatively across the board than younger age brackets.
    The GOP budget stresses that the Medicare revision is not a voucher program.

    But the key difference between their proposal and, for example, insurance plans under Medicare Part D or Medicare Advantage insurance plans — which are administered through private insurance companies and serve as one model for Ryan’s plan, Heck said — is that the government is the only negotiator in the current system. That gives it tremendous bargaining power.

    Pull the behemoth of the government arbitrator away, and seniors would be left to fend for themselves on the open market with their annually determined subsidy; not exactly the most convincing bargaining position if you require a higher-than-average amount of medical care.
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    Re: CNN Poll: Unfavorable view of tea party on the rise

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    let's see, essentially ryan wants to privatize medicare, and give medicaid to the states. at the same time, he gives cuts to the wealthy and the corporations. so what would you call it?

    it's not ****ing rocket science, and the majority of the people in the us.s believe we should RAISE taxes on the wealthy, not give them more breaks. tell me, how did reagan's cuts and bush's cuts decrease our debt? answer: they didn't. definition of insanity? doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. that's republicans.
    Amen. People do NOT want the GOP solution.

    Public prefers cutting defense spending: Reuters/Ipsos poll | Reuters


    By Donna Smith
    WASHINGTON | Wed Mar 9, 2011 2:47pm EST
    (Reuters) - A majority of Americans prefer cutting defense spending to reduce the federal deficit rather than taking money from public retirement and health programs, a Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Wednesday showed.

    The poll found 51 percent of Americans support reducing defense spending, and only 28 percent want to cut Medicare and Medicaid health programs for the elderly and poor. A mere 18 percent back cuts in the Social Security retirement program.
    This whole Ryan budget idea is simply part of a larger war on working class people waged by right wing Republicans...(is that last part redundant?)
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    Re: CNN Poll: Unfavorable view of tea party on the rise

    Health Care | U.S. Congressman Paul Ryan
    Alternative Approach
    The true shame of this debate is that there are real problems in health care that need to be fixed. Almost a year ago, I introduced the Patients’ Choice Act to fix what’s broken in health care, without breaking what’s working. I’ve spoken with Wisconsinites for years about patient-centered reforms that would make possible universal access to quality, affordable health care with the patient and the doctor—not the government or insurance companies—as the nucleus of the health care market.

    My bill fundamentally changes the mechanics of Medicaid while strengthening the promise of health care and security for all Americans. Under my proposal, discriminatory tax rules would be reformed, ensuring that everyone gets the same tax benefits for the purchase of health care regardless of where they obtain that care. Every American receives an advanceable, refundable tax credit with which to purchase portable health insurance. The bill continues to encourage businesses to offer health insurance by allowing the current tax incentives for businesses to remain intact. So if you like what you have, you can keep it—but it will be your decision. Further, my proposal encourages the adoption of health information technology and assists states in making serious medical liability reforms that offer real solutions to medical malpractice litigation and the practice of defensive medicine.

    yeah... sounds like that seriously sucks, huh

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    Re: CNN Poll: Unfavorable view of tea party on the rise

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Amen. People do NOT want the GOP solution.

    Public prefers cutting defense spending: Reuters/Ipsos poll | Reuters




    This whole Ryan budget idea is simply part of a larger war on working class people waged by right wing Republicans...(is that last part redundant?)
    from your link...
    The Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security programs, known as entitlements, and defense spending together account for about two-thirds of the $3.7 trillion federal budget, but they are not a major part of the debate in Congress over spending cuts.
    Defense spending should be reduced. However, both sides of congress are apparently to chicken-**** to go after the real problem children in the budget.

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    Re: CNN Poll: Unfavorable view of tea party on the rise

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    so, what does call for rationing care then?

    ryan's plan sucks, btw, takes from the poor and middle class and gives to the rich, very simply.
    Well, it may not be perfect. After all, people are comparing it to Obamacare.
    By the way, it doesn't say so here, but I'm pretty sure he said his plan wouldn't effect anyone 55 or older.

    I bolded the parts that I like the sound of.

    GOP Medicare Plan Could Share Common Ground With 'Obamacare' Exchanges - FoxNews.com

    One key difference between the two exchanges is the way the subsidies are calculated. Under the Ryan-Rivlin proposal, the subsidy would be based on the average cost per Medicare patient in 2012 -- and then allowed to increase at the rate of GDP growth plus 1 percent. Under the health care overhaul, subsidies would be based on a calculation that factors in market prices and the income of the individual.
    There are other obvious differences. The health care overhaul uses Medicaid to cover very low-income individuals. And, of course, the Ryan-Rivlin plan deals with seniors, whereas the health care overhaul's exchanges are targeted at low- and middle-income individuals who generally are not covered by an employer.
    But as with the health care overhaul exchanges, Ryan suggested the GOP might be looking at a sliding scale for Medicare benefits. He told "Fox News Sunday" the proposal would give "more for the poor, more for people who get sick, and we don't give as much money to people who are wealthy."
    The Tax Policy Center, in an analysis put out last month, argued that the health care overhaul and the Ryan-Rivlin plan actually go hand-in-hand. The analysis said the federal overhaul lays the groundwork by instituting an individual mandate, setting up an exchange and establishing minimum standards for insurance plans. "Additional premium support for seniors would be the final piece of the puzzle," fellow Howard Gleckman wrote. "Seniors would be able to buy affordable private coverage through the same sort of exchanges as tens of millions of working people. ... The idea is not as radical as it sounds."
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    Re: CNN Poll: Unfavorable view of tea party on the rise

    The Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security programs, known as entitlements, and defense spending together account for about two-thirds of the $3.7 trillion federal budget, but they are not a major part of the debate in Congress over spending cuts.
    and if the GOP gets its way, neither is the largest item in the discretionary budget for the rest of the year - defense spending.
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