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    Re: CNN Poll: Unfavorable view of tea party on the rise

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I don't understand the point you're trying to make. Are you claiming the methodology was sound? Why do you consider the issue I raised to only be a "possible" problem?
    Because at the time that post (your post) was made, you still have not elaborated on how the methodology in this particular case was flawed, you only made general claims about methodological flaws.

    1. My "attack" on Nate was not an ad hominem. It was an insult and nothing more -- it never entered my line of reasoning.
    Maybe it wasn't part of your "line of reasoning". But when you drop "Did I mention he's a hack?" in the middle of your arguement, do you expect a reasonable person to believe that it wasn't part of your arguement?


    1. Uhh... yeah, both illustrations of why propositions are typically defined as statements that can be true or false.
    If they were phrased as "propositions", which they weren't.

    I mean, if you don't even know what a proposition is -- one of the most basic concepts in logic -- I can't see why anyone would seriously consider anything you have to say on the subject of fallacies.

    Now THAT'S an ad hominem!
    Ad Hominem and false assumption. Next week you can start your lesson with Professor Tucker.


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    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: CNN Poll: Unfavorable view of tea party on the rise

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    Next "set" of what? You wrongly accuse me of something, if you don't have the decency to admit to it, at least don't act as if you are in the right.

    I thought you didnt take this so serious? U mad?










    Do you really need to be "shown" the fact that the GOP (which the Tea Party is an extreme wing of) has taken actions that include going after the unions, gerrymandering (in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and more) and has asked for the Bush tax cuts to be continued (which includes cuts and credit for corporations) and that some GOP governor has instituted tax cuts despite claims of budget constrain too?


    I find it telling that you fail to grasp the main arguement I made which is that political rhetoric is just that - political rhetoric, it's the details of the proposal that is the problem and lead to disagreement. Democrats and Republicans often want the same thing, they just have different ideas of how to get it done and the priority with which they give it. As a result what you see as "competitive business environment" Democrats see as "tax cut for corporations and the rich". What Democrats see as "better access to education", you see as "student welfare". But of course you couldn't take off your partisanship long enough to understand that.

    i need to be shown that the "tea party is the extreme right wing of the republican party". Its lies like these that Hamper actual debate.

    You made a silly leap either based on ignorance or wilful lying because your point was asinine.
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    Re: CNN Poll: Unfavorable view of tea party on the rise

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I thought you didnt take this so serious? U mad?
    I'm not mad. I don't care about you enough to get that worked up. There are times to take things seriously or times not to. When people wrongly accuse me of something, I do take it seriously. So are you going to answer the question?




    i need to be shown that the "tea party is the extreme right wing of the republican party". Its lies like these that Hamper actual debate.

    You made a silly leap either based on ignorance or wilful lying because your point was asinine.
    I make no leap. The Tea Party is an extreme wing of the GOP, it's where it's got its start. Are you denying that the people who support the Tea Party were supporters of the GOP if they have no one else more right-wing than the GOP candidate to vote for?

    I didn't lie about anything, so you just pulled that out of your ass. It's the kind of partisanship and hypocrisy you display that hampers debate. Weren't you the one who said:

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So lets pretend this is ALL true and not part of the democrat hit machine obama re-election need an enemy mission...

    Are you saying folks no longer want smaller government, more accountable reps, reduced spending, and lower taxes? I don't think so, call it the Tea party or whatever, its the ideals of the tea party folks want, not so much a tea "P"arty.


    This is who we are.

    So a distinct Tea Party is suddenly important now? Are you denying that the Republican platform is about "smaller government, more accountable reps, reduced spending, and lower taxes" and all that rhetorical crap?
    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post

    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: CNN Poll: Unfavorable view of tea party on the rise

    from the Rev

    i need to be shown that the "tea party is the extreme right wing of the republican party".
    While I rarely agree with him, I do think in this one case the Rev has a valid point. Given the current ideological makeup of the GOP, showing that the tea party faction is the extreme right wing of the party would be like trying to show which of a house filled with twenty dollar ladies of the night is the most virtuous.

    I really do not think its factually possible to identify the extreme right wing given the group in question.
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    Re: CNN Poll: Unfavorable view of tea party on the rise

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    There are other links showing that more than CNN has picked up on this trend.
    48% Say Their Views Closer to Tea Party Than Congress - Rasmussen Reportsô


    The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 48% of Likely U.S. Voters say when it comes to the major issues facing the country, their views are closer to the average Tea Party member as opposed to the average member of Congress. Just 22% say their views are closest to those of the average congressman. Even more (30%) arenít sure. (To see survey question wording, click here.)
    This shows little change from a survey in late March of last year. Forty-nine percent (49%) of voters think the Tea Party movement is good for the country, consistent with findings since May 2010. Twenty-six percent (26%) disagree and say the grassroots, small government movement is bad for America. Sixteen percent (16%) say neither
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    Forty-five percent (45%) say the average Tea Party member has a better understanding of the problems America faces today than the average member of Congress does. That figure is down seven points from a year ago. Still, today only 31% think the average member of Congress has a better understanding. Twenty-three percent (23%) are undecided.
    One-third of voters continue to have ties to the Tea Party movement. That includes 22% who say they themselves are members and 12% more who say they have friends or family who belong. Those findings havenít budged from the end of December. Fifty-two percent (52%) say they have no links to the Tea Party, but 14% are not sure.
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    Re: CNN Poll: Unfavorable view of tea party on the rise

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    it doesn't matter. There was nothing that reseambled a death panel. Never was. Never existed. She told a lie. Period.
    Yep, you were fooled by the media about death panels (rationing so much people die).
    People have always been fooled into thinking the tea Party is violent, racist, anti-government, anti-tax.
    They are not violent or racist and they want limited government. They are not anti-government. They are not anti-tax, they are for low taxes for everyone.
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    Re: CNN Poll: Unfavorable view of tea party on the rise

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    And I have given you a basis for why I don't believe he was intelligent. I can't speak for other people though.



    Perhaps you are right and perhaps not, but you have to prove your case before you can claim its true. Personally, I just don't know.
    Reminds me of Ed Shultz's poll last night. It was something like, "Who will be to blame if the government shuts down?" 83% said Republicans 17% said Dems.
    I'd guess a Fox poll would have different numbers and Dems would be blamed.
    I'd guess CNN would blame the republicans, but not quite to the extent that Ed's viewers did.
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    Re: CNN Poll: Unfavorable view of tea party on the rise

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'll never again give credence to any published poll unless I see the questions asked. Wordsmithing is everything. Don't see the questions they ask? Don't believe the poll.
    Why the change all of a sudden?

    I would honestly like to know.
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    Re: CNN Poll: Unfavorable view of tea party on the rise

    The vibe I am getting from some posters here is that polls are entirely OK, as long as they reinforce their own views.

    Sad.
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    Re: CNN Poll: Unfavorable view of tea party on the rise

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's also being reported by the Christian Science Monitor, how's that?

    New polls make tea party leaders ask: Are we in trouble? - CSMonitor.com

    And the UPI: Poll: Support for Tea Party has slipped - UPI.com
    That's just people repeating what the CNN poll said.
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