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    Re: CNN Poll: Unfavorable view of tea party on the rise

    I keep hearing that theTea Party is EXTREMIST.
    Of course that makes me very nervous.

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    Re: CNN Poll: Unfavorable view of tea party on the rise

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    RIIIIGHT. Because CNN is TOTALLY the most trustworthy group of so called journalists.
    Ok thats about the fifth person in this thread saying that CNN is some horrible fox news type of entity (at least in terms of being trusted). Whats going on here?

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    As someone earlier in this thread said, in more or less words, that you can't believe what any poll says unless you know the specific question asked and to whom the question was asked. Even I could say I was a liberal democrat just to partake in a poll that says I strongly dislike the way Obama is running the country.
    Theres a link to poll questions on page 2 of thread.
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    Re: CNN Poll: Unfavorable view of tea party on the rise

    That's dumb. Seriously, you can't explain her lie and exaggeration that way. You're working to hard to excuse her hyperbole. Just face it, she tried to scare folks and did so dishonestly.

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    Re: CNN Poll: Unfavorable view of tea party on the rise

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    So it happening at least once in the past means that we can cast doubt any all public opinion forever and ever on that basis alone?
    If it had happened only once before I would agree.
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    Re: CNN Poll: Unfavorable view of tea party on the rise

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    If it had happened only once before I would agree.
    Ok. Well lets just discount all polls, elections, and pretty much all public opinion because someone might be lying to them.

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    Re: CNN Poll: Unfavorable view of tea party on the rise

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    And you didn't "point out that the methodology is flawed" (except the aggregating of the data, which I'm addressing) you simply accused Nate Silver of being a hack - which is a fallacy, not a logical arguement.
    When I claimed to have pointed out flawed methodology, that's precisely what I was referring to. I also went on to claim that the poll items he treats as equal are anything but. [Also, "Nate Silver is a hack" is no more a fallacy than "the sky is blue" or "Jennie is a girl" -- these are all simple propositions. A fallacy refers to an error in reasoning.]

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    So you make claims you didn't support, and you attacked the messenger - and you then claimed that anyone who doesn't agree with your premise (that the data is inaccurate) are partisan hacks - which is also another fallacy.
    Haha, no I most certainly did NOT say that "anyone who doesn't agree that the data is inaccurate is a partisan hack." I said that anyone who recognizes that the methodology used is flawed but nonetheless assumes the data is accurate is a "blind partisan":
    I've pointed out that the methodology is flawed. Knowing that, only a blind partisan would *assume* the data to be accurate.
    The key words there are "knowing that" -- I am making no claims as to those who don't recognize that the methodology is flawed.

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    And you top all these fallacies by implying that you're right without having to prove your claim ("it's up to [me] to argue why" even though you claimed "they don't agree").
    Again, there's no "fallacy" here. Whether or not I'm correct (again, a proposition) has very little to do with whether I've proved that to you or anyone else (another proposition). If you'd like to try to characterize an argument that I made that you think is fallacious, I'd be happy to go over that.

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    Re: CNN Poll: Unfavorable view of tea party on the rise

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Ok thats about the fifth person in this thread saying that CNN is some horrible fox news type of entity (at least in terms of being trusted). Whats going on here?
    Essentially, its just about impossible to be truly objective and literally not lean any direction with regards to news. What stories you cover, what angle of the story you cover, what your headline is, what your focus of the story is, the type of language you use, etc...all are affected consiously or subconsiously by your own views and opinions. Considering its highly unlikely that someone not mildly interested in politics is going to get into the business of writing about it, its reasonable to suggest that most of the writers, editors, etc have some kind of political view. Thus every media entity generally has some slant, albiet some less extreme or more constrained then otheres.

    As such, you have people on both sides that essentially immedietely will condemn anything they view in any way slanted to the other side as if its all equally badly slanted. I've seen conservatives do it for PBS, CNN, MSNBC, and the HuffingtonPost. I've seen liberals do it for the Wall Street Journal, Rasmussen Reports, FoxNews, and WorldNetDaily. Even a little slant, when a story comes out that a partisan doesn't like they paint that group as if its just as amazingly slanted as the most biased of the bunch on that side.

    CNN is left of center, but not extremely so. Less so than MSNBC is or less so than Fox News is on their respective side. But its still generally left leaning in its presentation, editorial decisions, and story focus. As such you're generally going to see hyper partisan conservatives latching onto it like its coming from the mouth of Ariana Huffington herself even though there is a sizable difference between the HuffPo and CNN.

    Its one of those things not to spend too much time focusing on because there's little real answer for it with most of the people that do it, regardless of sides.

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    Re: CNN Poll: Unfavorable view of tea party on the rise

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Essentially, its just about impossible to be truly objective and literally not lean any direction with regards to news. What stories you cover, what angle of the story you cover, what your headline is, what your focus of the story is, the type of language you use, etc...all are affected consiously or subconsiously by your own views and opinions. Considering its highly unlikely that someone not mildly interested in politics is going to get into the business of writing about it, its reasonable to suggest that most of the writers, editors, etc have some kind of political view. Thus every media entity generally has some slant, albiet some less extreme or more constrained then otheres.

    As such, you have people on both sides that essentially immedietely will condemn anything they view in any way slanted to the other side as if its all equally badly slanted. I've seen conservatives do it for PBS, CNN, MSNBC, and the HuffingtonPost. I've seen liberals do it for the Wall Street Journal, Rasmussen Reports, FoxNews, and WorldNetDaily. Even a little slant, when a story comes out that a partisan doesn't like they paint that group as if its just as amazingly slanted as the most biased of the bunch on that side.

    CNN is left of center, but not extremely so. Less so than MSNBC is or less so than Fox News is on their respective side. But its still generally left leaning in its presentation, editorial decisions, and story focus. As such you're generally going to see hyper partisan conservatives latching onto it like its coming from the mouth of Ariana Huffington herself even though there is a sizable difference between the HuffPo and CNN.

    Its one of those things not to spend too much time focusing on because there's little real answer for it with most of the people that do it, regardless of sides.
    I agree with all of this, people tend to have a point of view and that will bleed into any professional work they do. But, in this case, I have given the base data on page 2 where people can go look at the poll questions and response data themselves. Meaning that they can independently verify whether CNN's conclusions were in error nor not. What I don't understand is, armed with that data, why people are still dismissing CNN. Maybe they just didn't see the post on page 2.

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    Re: CNN Poll: Unfavorable view of tea party on the rise

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Ok thats about the fifth person in this thread saying that CNN is some horrible fox news type of entity (at least in terms of being trusted). Whats going on here?
    Ask Eason Jordan.

    "CNN is some horrible fox news type of entity" ...... speaks volumes.
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    Re: CNN Poll: Unfavorable view of tea party on the rise

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Ask Eason Jordan.

    "CNN is some horrible fox news type of entity" ...... speaks volumes.
    It was an attempt at humor and a nod to the bias in the media section of the forum. I knew exactly what I was doing.

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